tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post1689037499338281500..comments2024-01-01T16:01:35.711+00:00Comments on Dick Puddlecote: It Lives!Dick Puddlecotehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-27889323907751316332012-09-24T15:14:08.378+01:002012-09-24T15:14:08.378+01:00I mentioned on FD's blog this morning that the...I mentioned on FD's blog this morning that the Daily Telegraph online, which I read over my morning cup of coffee had not a word about the Swiss vote. I even searched 'Switzerland' and got the "All the news from Switzerland" section. Not a word about it. Has anyone noticed if it's been covered by any of the other dailies? If not, then it smacks of an ASH led gagging of the media. Because as Jay pointed out in reply to my comment, you can bet your bottom dollar that if the vote had gone the other way it would have been all over the front page.nisakimannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-77374179174522021052012-09-24T14:59:49.741+01:002012-09-24T14:59:49.741+01:00(cont'd)
But, the article I’d really like ...(cont'd)<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />But, the article I’d really like to highlight is this one:<br /><br /><br />http://www.medindia.net/news/asias-one-woman-anti-tobacco-campaign-still-going-strong-53807-1.htm<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />In stark contrast to the Swiss circumstance over the weekend<br />where the public had its say, Muckeye emphasizes how Tobacco Control Racketeers<br />would preferably operate:<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><b>Asia's One-Woman Anti-Tobacco Campaign Still<br />Going Strong</b><br /><br /><br /><i>“For<br />most of the past 25 years, Hong Kong-based, British-born doctor Judith Mackay<br />has been the tobacco control movement in Asia.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />She<br />has pushed for tougher laws and higher tobacco taxes, lobbied for bans on<br />advertising, and advised and cajoled governments in Hong Kong,<br />Laos, China,<br />Vietnam and<br />most other Asian countries.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />She<br />drafted Mongolia's first post-Soviet anti-smoking law in her hotel room on the<br />last night of her trip there, after spending most of the visit under suspicion<br />of being an American spy.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />Her<br />success is based on her ability to convince the right person with the right<br />power to make changes that will save lives. And she is happy to take advantage<br />of non-democratic regimes.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />"That<br />is one of the reasons I was so active in the 1980s. Once you had democracies,<br />you have white papers and green papers, you had public debates and forums and<br />it went on forever," the 65-year-old said from her Hong Kong<br />home.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />"I<br />found I could jump over quite a few fences in one go," added Mackay, who<br />has been a senior policy adviser to the World Health Organization for more than<br />10 years.”</i><br /><br /><br />http://www.medindia.net/news/asias-one-woman-anti-tobacco-campaign-still-going-strong-53807-1.htm<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />There<br />we have it. Dealing with democratic countries can be such hard work. You have<br />to deal with nonsense like freedom and personal autonomy. There’s all that<br />useless paperwork required to justify your claims. And those endless public<br />debates….. well! No. Judy would be happy to “take advantage of non-democratic<br />regimes”. You need do deal with and con only one or, at most, maybe a handful<br />of people. It can mostly be done over a six-course dinner; no paperwork; no<br />public debates. Much….. much better. Smoking bans and a smoker persecution and<br />extortionate tax program can be set in motion by lunch the next day. Then it’s<br />off for a spot of tennis. That’s the way the world should operate….. none of<br />this Swiss stuff.Mag01noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-62095398961783286522012-09-24T14:58:50.430+01:002012-09-24T14:58:50.430+01:00
We’re all familiar with the high profile shmuck...<br /><br /><br />We’re all familiar with the high profile shmucks of the<br />antismoking racket – Stantonitis Glands, John Banz½ the ⅓, Simple Simon<br />Crapman, Gregor Cannoli, etc. Most of them travel to countries untainted by<br />antismoking fanaticism so that governments can get first-class advice on how to<br />destabilize their countries through antismoking hysteria. There is one<br />particular fanatic that has been highly influential in the Asia<br />region but very much “flown under the radar” – Judy Muckeye.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />Some background on Judy:<br /><br /><br />http://www.medangel.org/mackay.shtml<br /><br /><br />(Note<br />from link above: “Initially, she was instrumental in bringing about a ban on<br />smokeless tobacco products in Hong Kong”)<br /><br /><br />http://f2cscotland.blogspot.com/2011/09/judith-mackay-non-communicable-diseases.html<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />An obituary by Judy:<br /><br /><br />http://blogs.bmj.com/tc/2012/09/01/obituary-dr-weng-xin-zhi-chinas-grandfather-of-tobacco-control-1919-2012/<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />Hong Kong, where Muckeye has been<br />highly influential, is now a centre for training in smoking cessation:<br /><br /><br />http://www.tobacco.org/news/327547.html<br />Mag01noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-32494014733374336842012-09-24T10:44:22.350+01:002012-09-24T10:44:22.350+01:00Democracy? In Britain? Once every five years onl...Democracy? In Britain? Once every five years only.<br />And, by the by, what happened to that excellent and socially useful item - the 'Smoking Room'/ 'Smoking Parlour' in pubs? Another victim of social engineering.....johnproblemnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-43942411122330974182012-09-24T08:52:05.287+01:002012-09-24T08:52:05.287+01:00I have also collected opinion polls where it has a...I have also collected opinion polls where it has an honest question, here are a sample. <br /><br />52% against smoking ban in Edinburgh. Paid for by Nicotinel who would gain from people giving up.<br /><br /><br />28 Jul 2004<br /><br />More than 80 percent of pub customers in Wales are opposed to a complete<br /> ban on smoking in pubs according to a survey carried out for leading <br />independent brewer, pubs and drinks company SA Brain & Co Ltd.<br /><br />The independent survey of nearly 1,400 customers and staff found that<br /> only 19 percent of customers and 12 percent of staff support a total <br />ban on smoking in pubs. There was, however, more widespread support for <br />the provision of no smoking areas for eating and at the bar.<br /><br /><br />“Three quarters of people in Scotland believe there should be exemptions to the smoking ban, a poll has suggested. <br /><br /><br /><br />https://daveatherton.wordpress.com/2011/06/04/the-uk-smoking-ban-and-opinion-polls/DaveAtherton20noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-33865534062710669992012-09-24T07:30:34.357+01:002012-09-24T07:30:34.357+01:00The prohibitionists will not give up - like any bu...The prohibitionists will not give up - like any bunch of totalitarian zealots they are intoxicated by the prospect of imposing their views on others. Truth and consensus do not matter to them. <br /><br /><br />I recall the unpopular smoking ban in Norway in the early 90s which failed spectacularly and then the zealots decided they weren't going to engage in any of that democratic nonsense again.<br /><br /><br />The use of forthright language is important and I'm certainly not going to write a sentence in future that doesn't include the word liar when writing about ASH, SFSW or CRUK. They are marketeers.... and I'm with this guy in that department.<br /><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0womoonrakinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-18259114858212513082012-09-24T06:11:29.226+01:002012-09-24T06:11:29.226+01:00
Indeed, it was a resounding rejection of a nati...<br /><br /><br />Indeed, it was a resounding rejection of a nationwide blanket indoor<br />smoking ban. Twenty-five of the 26 cantons rejected the proposal outright. Geneva,<br />WHO headquarters, was the only canton over 50% and could only muster ~52% (yes).<br />Tessin, described by one commenter as the “California”<br />of Switzerland,<br />could only manage a bit over 49% (yes). That says a lot.<br /><br /><br />http://bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard/Verlieren-die-Kantone-ihre-Entscheidungshoheit-ueber-das-Rauchverbot/story/10554234<br /><br /><br />(move mouse over canton area to see vote result)<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />It’s a very important result. It goes completely against the<br />grain of governments around the world effectively stepping aside and allowing a<br />top-down (WHO) infliction of policy on their constituents: This signing-up to<br />the FCTC has allowed the WHO to bypass due sovereign political process. In Switzerland,<br />it’s been a little different, and kudos to its political system. It’s where a<br />vote has been allowed on scrapping exemptions to the current smoking ban and<br />the vast majority of the Swiss population stated – emphatically – to leave<br />things be, that enough is enough. It throws a big spanner in the UN (WHO) and<br />EU plans for standardized, blanket indoor smoking bans (and then other bans,<br />e.g., outdoor, because we know it doesn’t stop with indoor bans). It also<br />demonstrates that the WHO, its FCTC, and the network of antismoking hysterics can<br />be stood up to. It will set other countries that can see the social and<br />economic fallout of these blanket bans to ask why they can’t also have exemptions/accommodation.<br />And there’s no reason why they can’t.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />I’d hazard a guess that the antismoking racket is having a<br />few uncomfortable sphincter spasms.....head pangs......wallet irritation, and pondering what combination of lies to use in attempting to<br />“contain” the fallout from this result. Or maybe they’ll just try to ignore it.<br />Mag01noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-6471726758789391342012-09-24T02:24:16.914+01:002012-09-24T02:24:16.914+01:00Thanks, DP. That Swiss result has come as rather c...Thanks, DP. That Swiss result has come as rather cheering news.<br />"In some cantons, more than 70% of voters rejected the ban."<br /><br />I also followed your link to your 2009 post which showed a roughly similar voting breakdown of public opinion in the UK - and from my own research I don't think this has changed much. I don't trust YouGov but I do trust more or less the ONS.<br /><br />It gives me hope, because in the UK about 27% of the adult population smoke tobacco (don't query my figures, they're a guesstimate for the purposes of this blog comment and well above the official rate of 22%).<br /><br />And yet almost more than double again - non-smokers - still think there should be choice and provision and don't want an outright ban. YAY!<br /><br />The £millions spent on propaganda and junk science by the Tobacco Control Industry still aren't working, EVEN ON NON-SMOKERS.<br /><br />Because most people who don't happen to smoke see people who do smoke, vape, use snus, whatever, primarily as friends, family and neighbours and as just normal people. And they are big-hearted enough to prefer a freer choice.Lysistrata Eleftherianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-14454867950129497062012-09-24T02:22:47.273+01:002012-09-24T02:22:47.273+01:00It is interesting that The Scotsman and the Scotti...It is interesting that The Scotsman and the Scottish Sunday Express have, apparently, broken ranks. Perhaps they are becoming aware of the slippery slope, or are taking notice of the strength of feeling in their comment sections. <br />It incumbant upon all we bloggers to continue to attack Tobacco Control with all our strength. They are simple propagandists and advertising agencies. They do not (normally) quite lie, but they exaggerate and shout just like TV adverts. <br />Smoking areas with good air-cleaning equipment is a good start, but, eventually, recognition of private property rights must be the aim. Also, all the nonsense about 'children and young people' (always lumped together) must be seen for the scaremongering that it is. <br />Also, when common sense once again prevails, we must not permit the arseholes like Pell, Arnott, Glantz, Chapman, etc to get away scot-free. They are just as guilty of malingering as any Nazi, even if the outcomes are not the same.junican41noreply@blogger.com