tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post1720728632635841358..comments2024-01-01T16:01:35.711+00:00Comments on Dick Puddlecote: Minimum Pricing And The Stable DoorDick Puddlecotehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-85247376455003556202012-03-27T09:37:20.211+01:002012-03-27T09:37:20.211+01:00Thanks for e-petition link, Curmudgeon. Just sign...Thanks for e-petition link, Curmudgeon. Just signed it.Lyn Laddsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-65528126584136774212012-03-26T15:03:38.019+01:002012-03-26T15:03:38.019+01:00Government e-petition against minimum pricing has ...Government e-petition against minimum pricing has been created today:<br /><br />http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/31885<br /><br />Also an excellent article by Patrick Hayes on Sp!ked:<br /><br />http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/12282/Curmudgeonhttp://pubcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-39383040265403205862012-03-26T14:59:44.422+01:002012-03-26T14:59:44.422+01:00Always strange the ways of politics.
Do any of the...Always strange the ways of politics.<br />Do any of the MP's (yes I know a few do),realise how unpopular all this stuff really is.<br />The danger they cannot see is low turnout at elections.<br />A mandate to govern is just that.<br />Ac777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-12762446097451237452012-03-26T12:20:06.091+01:002012-03-26T12:20:06.091+01:00Quite so, it will reduce people's disposable i...Quite so, it will reduce people's disposable income and give them less to spend in pubs. Few people drink exclusively in either on- or off-trade; most split their consumption between the two.Curmudgeonhttp://pubcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-59550221416810168352012-03-26T12:13:19.241+01:002012-03-26T12:13:19.241+01:00Another point about minimum pricing: it will harm ...Another point about minimum pricing: it will harm pubs, not help them. People decide what level of drunkenness they wish to achieve. If drinking at home becomes more expensive, but still less than pub drinking, they will need to allocate more of their drink money to home drinking and less to pub drinking.JonathanBagleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-23093821339450356862012-03-26T10:49:09.818+01:002012-03-26T10:49:09.818+01:00Well, no, I don't want any of it to happen. I ...Well, no, I don't want any of it to happen. I never wanted any of it to happen. That's the point. It's (probably) going to happen anyway, and the sooner it happens, the sooner we can rectify the situation. Right now, we're all just hanging on our some sort of fiscal life support. It's bollocks. <br /><br />No, I do subscribe to any global banking magazines or newspapers -- despite this, I am well aware of the banking system. I am, however, a firm believer in the gold standard.<br /><br />No, I do not want people's lives to worsen. I want them to get better. A lot better. I want people to have more liberties, more freedom. But until things get bad enough, no will fight for their rights. I don't make the rules, it's just how it is.<br /><br />By the way, I love Greece. I really don't want to see any strife there. I would advocate that any one who can afford to should holiday there to help out the locals. But it's not the locals who are causing the problems, it's just the locals who are suffering from other people's problems.Jaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-20635063480683391662012-03-26T10:42:41.729+01:002012-03-26T10:42:41.729+01:00We wonder who had dinner at No 10 with Dave
With D...We wonder who had dinner at No 10 with Dave<br />With Dave's continued support for the nonsensical Leninist Smoking ban.<br />no surprise if the guests included Pharmaceuticals CEOs<br />No real need fpr string pullers to dine in Downing Street ,their hirelings are well spread in the private rooms of Westminster<br />Time for true blues to jetison this twin tongued blustering purple Parrot,<br />no depth,no strength,no integrity ,just a cable from a Liberal joystick.<br /><br />Ex Con (48 years)The Far Blue Horizonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-24097884858902907932012-03-26T00:09:48.280+01:002012-03-26T00:09:48.280+01:00Jay said: “The sooner Greece falls, the better... ...Jay said: “The sooner Greece falls, the better... <br />Why? Because we need things to get a lot worse before we can make it<br />better. The reason is because no one will take action until things get<br />bad enough.”<br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />Eh? Well, living in Greece as I do, thanks very much Jay.<br />That’s really fucking helpful.<br /><br />Have you actually read anything about global banking in the last decade?<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />You are adopting the faux-Marxist position of the French<br />situationists in the 1960s, and supporting the deliberate worsening of ordinary<br />people’s lives, and deliberate provocation of the authorities so they will be<br />provoked into striking back with disproportionate force, so they will be condemned,<br />and so there will a popular uprising, and then the “we” that you refer to can<br />take power, right?<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />First, dream on sweet baby Jay.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />Second, I‘m not<br />sure I like this ‘we’ on whose behalf you claim to speak. <br /><br /><br />It may be your ‘we’ but it’s not my ‘we’.Lysistrata Eleftherianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-2502498137545047182012-03-25T23:07:05.705+01:002012-03-25T23:07:05.705+01:00'Chattering pharisees': I like that.'Chattering pharisees': I like that.llewetonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-39684137031804231152012-03-25T23:02:58.305+01:002012-03-25T23:02:58.305+01:00Ta, George. So he writes for the Observer and New ...Ta, George. So he writes for the Observer and New Statesman and calls himself a 'libertarian'. Good grief. <br /><br /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_CowleyDick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-46079133861015753582012-03-25T23:00:28.408+01:002012-03-25T23:00:28.408+01:00The only people who ought to be scared are the ret...The only people who ought to be scared are the retailers. Tobacco companies will get on fine, but retailers will find that fewer customers are buying tobacco products in the shops.Jaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-12363988433021329212012-03-25T22:57:13.083+01:002012-03-25T22:57:13.083+01:00 Jason Cowley Jason CowleyGeorge Spellerhttp://www.facebook.com/people/George-Speller/1046658695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-35733562832180622512012-03-25T22:11:29.366+01:002012-03-25T22:11:29.366+01:00Noted earlier about "libertarians"
They ...Noted earlier about "libertarians"<br />They cry liberty ,for whom,we ask, not for the ordinary,not for the normal,<br />not for the average,not for the producers of wealth,they are pretentious<br />banner wavers for the liberal elite,the freaks,the perverts,the oddballs,<br />their kind of freedom,limited to a noisy few.<br />True liberty is won with blood and guts,valour and fortitude,sweat and tears<br />not qualities found in the chattering pharisees<br />The Commons is the cesspool in which only the snouts of the fringers<br />sniff eagerly.A one Party State occasionally swopping seats to keep the<br />eloctorate in a coma,a Liberal concensus Pied Piper herding a Nation<br />into despotism.<br /><br />Anyone listening The wakeningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-88005654065999873742012-03-25T21:05:05.772+01:002012-03-25T21:05:05.772+01:00Quite. It's basic economics and is easily obse...Quite. It's basic economics and is easily observed with the plain packaging debate. Tobacco companies can see their premium brands having to compete solely on price because of it, hence the legal cases. Tobacco controllers are spinning this as proof that 'big tobacco' is scared of losing consumers. <br /><br />Of course they won't. <br /><br />There is a premium price on premium brands. You remove the differential and the premium brands will have to increase in price to protect the 'premium'. That's why it's called such. Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-33128091766593590952012-03-25T20:59:45.889+01:002012-03-25T20:59:45.889+01:00That's the second time I've heard about th...That's the second time I've heard about this 'libertarian'. Did anyone catch his name? Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-64774402811383728062012-03-25T20:00:31.504+01:002012-03-25T20:00:31.504+01:00Yes, "minimum price alcohol" will carry ...Yes, "minimum price alcohol" will carry a sort of stigma like "minimum wage jobs". Every producer of every remotely reputable brand of drink will do their utmost to get their product priced above the minimum.Curmudgeonhttp://pubcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-79069598229671616472012-03-25T17:58:25.712+01:002012-03-25T17:58:25.712+01:00I heard, on the radio, someone describe himself as...I heard, on the radio, someone describe himself as a Libertarian - and then go on to support minimum pricing for alcoholic drinks and declare that the smoking ban had worked. At which point I switched off. Are the puritans trying to sail with their poisonous cargo under our colours?llewetonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-85018342167538400042012-03-25T13:09:11.957+01:002012-03-25T13:09:11.957+01:00"Lastly - and probably most importantly for m..."Lastly - and probably most importantly for many - never think that this is just about punishing the less well off."<br /><br />I don't. It's not even about punishing anyone.<br /><br />It's about control. Control the population, brainwash them, take away their weapons, their freedoms, one by one, and make them subservient and unquestioning to government's whims, so that when it all goes tits up (and it will, someday), there are far fewer people willing or capable of challenging the state.<br /><br />It's a "look over here, but don't look at what is really happening" distraction. Cameron knows it's all FUBAR, and so does everyone in government. If they can distract us from the simple fact that we're racing towards a world of shit, then they win. Meanwhile, those who can afford to are buttressing up their mansions and castles, too keep out the riff-raff when the people finally wise up to what is happening to them.<br /><br />I can't predict the future. It could be a few years from now or a few decades from now or even longer, but eventually this house of cards we've constructed will fall. And the people who caused it will be safely far away from the those who would seek retribution.<br /><br />The sooner Greece falls, the better... Why? Because we need things to get a a lot worse before we can make it better. The reason is because no one will take action until thing get bad enough. While I don't know when it will happen, I do think Greece will fail, then Portugal, and Italy, and Spain... then France, and of course the UK. America right behind them... <br /><br />Or maybe not. It's all happy, fluffy kittens and bunnies... Right? Right? Hello?Jaynoreply@blogger.com