tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post5554688199957131667..comments2024-01-01T16:01:35.711+00:00Comments on Dick Puddlecote: Moat, Facebook, And The Failure Of Political DiscourseDick Puddlecotehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-8124885365644657042010-07-25T20:40:09.986+01:002010-07-25T20:40:09.986+01:00A good thought provoking post.
Owing to the elect...A good thought provoking post.<br /><br /><i>Owing to the electoral machinery described above, many of those who admired Moat have probably not seen a politician in the flesh for years. Even at election time they'll receive little by way of literature, and their complaints will mostly be ignored if they are in an area of no electoral importance for the main parties.</i><br /><br />Yup. And then the main stream parties, BBC, Groan and other assorted righteous wonder why the BNP garner so many votes.Simonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-39647305953171850672010-07-19T10:16:18.862+01:002010-07-19T10:16:18.862+01:00Oh please "The poor white working class"...Oh please "The poor white working class"<br /><br />ahh bless em,the poor dears,living in the 4th richest country in the world is just too hard for them,all that money throw at them for doing fuck all is just not enough,of course they should support some murderous cunt,the poor man, his mummy didnt tuck im in at night.<br /><br />Moal was a piece of filth and all his supporters are either mongs who couldnt make a success of their lives if they were born from a royals womb or hand wringing middle class meddlers making excuses for filth to salve their middleclass guilt.<br /><br />A lifetime living of a rubbish heap without a cat in hells chance of living past 25 might give em all a sense of perspective!Peperbarmihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14390448833897716671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-38238548594829110832010-07-18T17:50:58.305+01:002010-07-18T17:50:58.305+01:00Widdle: Is there a way back? Not without politicia...Widdle: Is there a way back? Not without politicians and civil servants admitting that their alarmist, authoritarian, infantilising approach for the past 40 years has been fatally flawed.<br /><br /><em>"Anyone lays a finger on any of my kids and I swear I'll do time...".</em><br /><br />Truly an indicative phrase of our time. :(Dick Puddlecotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-85268978710130401312010-07-18T17:31:31.166+01:002010-07-18T17:31:31.166+01:00Private Widdle - No.
Sorry.
We are somewhat adva...Private Widdle - No.<br /><br />Sorry.<br /><br />We are somewhat advanced down the slippery slope called "democracy". Once we have hit rock bottom, THEN we start to climb back.Caratacusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-25473195339185477052010-07-18T16:48:50.967+01:002010-07-18T16:48:50.967+01:00I'm very rarely inclined to agree with either ...I'm very rarely inclined to agree with either Demetriou or Galloway but I think they (and you) are onto something.<br /><br />However, as your tag say- there is something very wrong with this country. When a 6'3" 17-stone paranoid 'roid freak who has been to prison for assaulting a nine-year old girl can command the popular imagination then there is something very skewiff about the values and beliefs of huge number of people. I bet 99% of the blokes who signed up to the Facebook shrine have leant an elbow on a bar and declared "Anyone lays a finger on any of my kids and I swear I'll do time...". This is where we are now- this is how corrupt our society is. Is there a way back?Private Widdlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-40412284610910585332010-07-18T16:29:33.117+01:002010-07-18T16:29:33.117+01:00Thanks for all the comments, especially the nice o...Thanks for all the comments, especially the nice ones.<br /><br />MW: We'll forget the Moat fella too soon, once someone is inspired by his bravery and runs around provoking the police with an AK47. :-0Dick Puddlecotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-8237436965727634452010-07-18T15:59:29.566+01:002010-07-18T15:59:29.566+01:00What's all this Moat Moat Moat nonsense? Have ...What's all this Moat Moat Moat nonsense? Have we already forgotten that taxi driver fellow who went on a proper bloodthirsty rampage?Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-88204655361145683042010-07-18T11:35:05.984+01:002010-07-18T11:35:05.984+01:00Scorched Earth.
It is apparent those, who are not ...Scorched Earth.<br />It is apparent those, who are not concerned about the life style of the poor, are quite eager,in small numbers, to frequent the remaining<br />inns and taverns of England.<br />Can these petty Ivory Tower dwellers be allowed to enjoy the<br />fruits of their malice whilst the<br />poor and old shiver.<br />Surely not.<br />In the name of justice and honour<br />if freedom is to be denied to some<br />then a scorched earth attitude will have to be extended to all.<br />If those who have fought and toiled for this nation cannot<br />have some relaxation in their last years,neither can anyone else.<br />As we retreat into isolation ,we<br />will leave nowhere fit for those<br />who did not care.<br /><br /><br />Sum DignusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-65338430569243822352010-07-18T10:51:42.756+01:002010-07-18T10:51:42.756+01:00Brillaint comment. Agree wholeheartedly.Brillaint comment. Agree wholeheartedly.MrAngrymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13889412299781944779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-55223481250218439832010-07-18T09:14:58.756+01:002010-07-18T09:14:58.756+01:00And, incredibly, Janet Street-Porter more or less ...And, incredibly, Janet Street-Porter <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/janet-street-porter/editoratlarge-the-disaffection-that-created-moat-is-what-matters-2029423.html" rel="nofollow">more or less agrees with you</a>.<br /><br /><i>"what we should be bothered about is the fact that a large section of our society feel like outsiders."</i><br /><br />In many cases, literally outsiders.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-91073632034483564362010-07-18T07:00:03.715+01:002010-07-18T07:00:03.715+01:00And yes, excellent post.And yes, excellent post.JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-51398144911731152162010-07-18T06:59:09.326+01:002010-07-18T06:59:09.326+01:00What Brian, follower of Deornoth said...What Brian, follower of Deornoth said...JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-85324713895436099562010-07-18T01:34:20.954+01:002010-07-18T01:34:20.954+01:00Very well put, Sir - one of your finest posts. Can...Very well put, Sir - one of your finest posts. Can't find anything to disagree with.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-70970924922992462872010-07-17T21:52:43.728+01:002010-07-17T21:52:43.728+01:00Let me amplify the cry from the
underclass,the un...Let me amplify the cry from the <br />underclass,the uneducated,the dysfunctional,the Chavs and other<br />undesirables.I had an excellent<br />upbringing and first rate education followed by a life time of respect for the law,for other <br />people,for property,for the state.Then the Government, aided<br />by the chattering classes decided<br />I was to be treated like vermin,<br />like a rat,like a rabid dog,why,<br />because I smoke cigarettes.<br />48 years of working,paying my taxes,behaving myself and encouraging others to do likewise.<br />All to no avail,half a century of<br />serfdom for nothing.So when the<br />underclass skive ,thieve ,smash<br />and grab,they are doing what some of us should have done years ago and maybe the ruling elite might have got the message by now. We may not have the power to alter the mindset of central power but<br />we sure can snap local wrists and ankles.Those in high places need reminding,treat us like dogs,<br />like dogs we shall behave.<br /><br />So be it.<br /><br />Reason is to an end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-61728815961551436612010-07-17T21:23:20.441+01:002010-07-17T21:23:20.441+01:00Thank you Mr.P. Intelligently and sensitively argu...Thank you Mr.P. Intelligently and sensitively argued, and reflects the unease I have felt about the knee-jerk reactions to the Facebook page.<br /><br />I worked for seven years as a nightclub bouncer and did (drug-free) bodybuilding. I saw what sometimes happens when bodybuilders go the steroid route; yes you grow rapidly (you also get weapons grade acne, they don't tell you that bit) but you also end up a touchy bastard whom even a close friend has trouble getting through to. There is no respect for anyone's opinion unless they are a hard bastard too - I could go on but I'm sure you get the picture.<br /><br />I don't sympathise with Moat at all. He was a silly bugger who was very much the architect of his own misfortune. My sympathy is for those poor people whose lives have been ruined by his stupidity. The Facebook page reflects the thought processes of a group of people. People with whom we share this little island.... It is also, far more importantly, free speech.Caratacusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-48423150996223296192010-07-17T21:18:11.236+01:002010-07-17T21:18:11.236+01:00Ta Jill, Anna & JD. :)Ta Jill, Anna & JD. :)Dick Puddlecotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-29884462060459911342010-07-17T21:16:55.552+01:002010-07-17T21:16:55.552+01:00Brian, FOD: Yes, there is that aspect, but there a...Brian, FOD: Yes, there is that aspect, but there are far more who are punished wrongly than those who are abusing the system.<br /><br /><a href="http://dickpuddlecote.blogspot.com/2009/10/why-jacqui-smith-should-be-facing.html" rel="nofollow">Read this</a> for just one of many examples from my personal experience.<br /><br />The educated and level-headed amongst us are able to fight our corner, though increasingly (it seems to me) obstructions are being placed to stop even that.<br /><br />If you're someone who hasn't the wherewithal or skills to fight the massive amount of state interference, the only answer is to shout and scream, or throw things.<br /><br />Then the police are called to enforce compliance.<br /><br />And, as the article I've linked to shows, all the while the politicians get away with far more egregious excesses without sanction.Dick Puddlecotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-85670160654829268752010-07-17T20:43:08.334+01:002010-07-17T20:43:08.334+01:00Thanks for the article and links, Mr P :-)
Great ...Thanks for the article and links, Mr P :-)<br /><br />Great stuff and excellent comment. Bravo.John Demetriouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08162148219333846404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-34223484065659758092010-07-17T19:41:08.194+01:002010-07-17T19:41:08.194+01:00A superb post Dick.
I found it very worrying that...A superb post Dick. <br />I found it very worrying that I could find common ground with George Galloway, you have taken his theme and developed it to perfection.<br /><br />*Applause*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-85638350325333115922010-07-17T18:36:50.827+01:002010-07-17T18:36:50.827+01:00"their main interaction with the state is thr..."their main interaction with the state is through the police"<br /><br />I don't think that's true. Their main interaction with the state is with the benefits office, where they are told that they can't have everything they want merely because they are working class in spite of all the propaganda spouted by ZaNuLabour<br /><br />Naturally they resent being told they can't have what they want because no-one has ever said 'No' to them before; clearly the Guvverment are depriving them of something. After all, they live in 'deprived areas', don't they?Brian, follower of Deornothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11941277617617928470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-53344241899933915822010-07-17T18:09:45.243+01:002010-07-17T18:09:45.243+01:00"Rather than take the Facebook group as a sig..."Rather than take the Facebook group as a sign of degenerative behaviour, maybe all parties should be looking at why, for very large sections of the public, a social networking site is now a more realistic method of registering dissent than by trying to talk to a politician."<br /><br />In the parlance of our times, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.<br /><br />When you think about Dave's big society claptrap, you do realise just how many light years he is from the reality on the ground, dontcha?Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01708444000412716821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-45973991262512592082010-07-17T17:48:34.694+01:002010-07-17T17:48:34.694+01:00aha like you I found myself partially agreeing - p...aha like you I found myself partially agreeing - probably for the first time ever - with George Galloway!Callienoreply@blogger.com