tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post6263558384085405671..comments2024-01-01T16:01:35.711+00:00Comments on Dick Puddlecote: Bristol's 'Voluntary Ban' On The Weak And VulnerableDick Puddlecotehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-85908963492489978612015-02-05T02:26:43.368+00:002015-02-05T02:26:43.368+00:00RdM, I agree they are nurturing a cadre of antismo...RdM, I agree they are nurturing a cadre of antismoker STASI... Outdoor bans are all the rage , today I saw they are going to do a comprehensive outdoor ban in all New South Wales, Australia. We need to get the word out quickly. All of your suggestions plus more!Vinny Gracchusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-30699283444254746412015-02-04T23:54:20.764+00:002015-02-04T23:54:20.764+00:00Exactly. They played the same game in Philly for ...Exactly. They played the same game in Philly for a year before banning smoking on mass transit platforms (we're talking some point in the late 1980s) I'd almost never smoked on those platforms, but as soon as I saw the "For the health and consideration of other passengers SEPTA asks..." signs I made it a point to offer encouragement to other smokers to assert their rights by setting an example. Unfortunately, few followed suit and sure enough, since so few were smoking there it was quite easy to push through a ban a year or two down the line -- a ban that had earlier been dismissed as too difficult to enforce.<br /><br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttp://bit.ly/TobakkoNachtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-83139427182005360582015-02-04T22:11:46.239+00:002015-02-04T22:11:46.239+00:00Absolutely, the ban is more than a ban. It is a to...Absolutely, the ban is more than a ban. It is a tool for shaping and manipulating behavior and belief. It is a form of brainwashing seeking compliance.Vinny Gracchusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-88940879858661414402015-02-04T21:26:55.739+00:002015-02-04T21:26:55.739+00:00The "voluntary" ban is a very clever mov...The "voluntary" ban is a very clever move designed to give them a legislated smoking ban easily despite almost any likely response. Consider the two most likely results they are imagining:<br /><br /><br />1) Most smokers are intimidated into not smoking there, either due to embarrassment, peer pressure, or simply thinking the signs mean it's already a law.<br /><br /><br />or<br /><br /><br />2) There will be at least a few incidents of violence or verbal violence as Antis deliberately try to irritate smokers with their style of "request."<br /><br /><br />In either case, the Antis "win" a full ban easily a year down the line. If all they get is (1) they're still able to say "Well, we might as well make it legal since most obviously agree and there are just a few malcontents who need to be brought into line with civilized norms that have been accepted." If they ALSO get (2) then they can push even harder, saying that the lack of a law is what's causing the violence.<br /><br /><br />If we had a few good activists in the area willing to do some regular paper-hanging, the signs could be countered with various pieces of humor/cartoons/information hung up by or on the official signs: Even something as simple as:<br /><br /><br />NOTE: This Sign Is NOT A Law. It is a simple social engineering effort designed to control your behavior even if a law cannot be passed. If you are a good, freedom-loving citizen, even if you are normally a nonsmoker, you SHOULD make a point of smoking or at least carrying a lit cigarette while you are in this area to show your support for freedom!<br /><br /><br />Even just the first sentence or two there would make the point.<br /><br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttp://bit.ly/TobakkoNachtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-83076807086100566882015-02-04T19:27:23.388+00:002015-02-04T19:27:23.388+00:00"control the press, you control the people.&q...<i>"control the press, you control the people."</i><br /><br />Before the internet and the social media, the mass media <i>were</i> the only way to reach an unlimited number of people and virtually the only easily available source of information. Getting access to some scientific publication could be quite time consuming. Even getting to know about its existance wasn't easy for ordinary people outside scientific circles.<br /><br />Today all the information is at least available. And everybody may contribute. But it takes personal initiative to actively look for it and seperate the wheat from the chaff. <br /><br /><br /><br />Still, the first source of information are the mass media. People usually will educate themselves only when they are personally affected or--like me--get curious when some media try to feed them obvious bollocks. <br /><br /><br /><br />Until I started to inform myself about vaping, I still had some naive confidence in the "experts" that told us about the dangers of smoking and SHS. Silly me ...Norbert Zillatronhttp://nzillatron.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-39095834687459193222015-02-04T17:26:46.793+00:002015-02-04T17:26:46.793+00:00As I understand it Smoke Free South Wests's &q...As I understand it Smoke Free South Wests's "voluntary" ban on smoking is an invitation not to smoke. Now to me, an invitation is no more than that, it has no liability to conform. If I wish to decline an invitation, say to a party, I expect that I might just possibly upset the one extending the invitation, and perhaps they might never speak to me again. Please let this be the case with SFSW, for they are no friends of mine - or anyone else not signed up to their cause!Geoff Cliffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-5933230422523090922015-02-04T15:37:38.515+00:002015-02-04T15:37:38.515+00:00Unfortunately comments and letters attempting to m...Unfortunately comments and letters attempting to make your views public, unless they further the anti-smoking agenda tend to be 'moderated' out of existence. It's only on blogs like this that we can actually express ourselves freely. I would imagine that most regular commenters here, and on other like-minded blogs, have submitted comments to the comments sections in the MSM on the subject of smoking bans only to see them disappear shortly thereafter. <br /><br />I've lost count of the number of times my comments have been deleted; not because they broke any of the house rules, but because they called into question the veracity of the subject matter of the article. And when you control the press, you control the people.nisakimannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-711070630275238612015-02-04T15:28:01.539+00:002015-02-04T15:28:01.539+00:00,,..,,..What the....noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-40275540467431515222015-02-04T14:37:33.548+00:002015-02-04T14:37:33.548+00:00...,...,What the....noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-46572640812561252462015-02-04T14:30:30.156+00:002015-02-04T14:30:30.156+00:00........What the....noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-79000870381335103822015-02-04T14:27:37.652+00:002015-02-04T14:27:37.652+00:00Count me in!Count me in!Bucko The Moosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-43087675004103723332015-02-04T14:27:26.134+00:002015-02-04T14:27:26.134+00:00The sign could do with some decoration and accurat...The sign could do with some decoration and accurate appraisal, e.g.,What the....noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-18123974877425284902015-02-04T14:27:18.833+00:002015-02-04T14:27:18.833+00:00This is the sign that gives license to bullies.This is the sign that gives license to bullies.What the...noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-65733601615496290152015-02-04T14:26:54.079+00:002015-02-04T14:26:54.079+00:00I am female 5' 1" and about 112lbs and he...I am female 5' 1" and about 112lbs and heaven help anyone approaching me! Only happened once and she fled when I told her the fat she was carrying would kill her before my smoke. Was at my local hospital yesterday and people were smoking outside as usual, including a few nurses hiding round a corner.emma2000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-57225165564114890762015-02-04T13:43:32.723+00:002015-02-04T13:43:32.723+00:00“We hope that it ... gives people confidence to as...“We hope that it ... gives people confidence to ask others to stop if they are smoking.”<br /><br />It's a voluntary ban, so presumably the smokers have not volunteered. There's nothing more to be said. You wouldn't go up to someone and ask them to wear a poppy?JonathanBagleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-30890659203254501802015-02-04T13:37:38.591+00:002015-02-04T13:37:38.591+00:00Here’s the antismoking neurotic bigot, Fiona Andro...Here’s the antismoking neurotic bigot, Fiona Android, representing the neurotic, bigoted antismoking organization, Smokefree South West. Their interest is in promoting more antismoking irrational belief and bigotry. They are well paid to do so and are never held to account for any of the detrimental<br />consequences of their conduct.What the....noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-22929895233738898942015-02-04T13:27:38.374+00:002015-02-04T13:27:38.374+00:00...
Some say that antismoking should be countered......<br /><br />Some say that antismoking should be countered with “free choice” arguments or exposing scientific fraud. These are important. However, the approach that will have people questioning antismoking rhetoric is the accurate depiction of antismokers as neurotic bigots.<br /><br /> There’s a 400 year history of antismoking. It’s a very sick history. There has been a litany of highly inflammatory claims made over all of those years, at least 99% of which were baseless, i.e., lies.<br /><br /> Antismokers are misocapnists/capnophobes. They believe that all places, indoor and out, must cater solely to their emotional mess, through force of law if necessary. They have manufactured tobacco smoke into a “magic mist”, probably originating in another galaxy, imbued with all manner of “destructive potential” limited only by antismokers’ self-terrifying imaginings. Let antismokers loose and their claims become progressively more absurd and hysterical and their demands progressively more draconian and inhumane.<br /><br /> There’s more than ample evidence over centuries that the rabid antismoking mentality is a significant mental disorder. Only more dangerous is the physicalist framework – medically-monopolized Public Health, that obviously has no regard for mental, social, or even physical health, that has lent “authority” to these antismoking nut cases.<br /><br /> Misocapnists are way, way, WAY worse than germaphobes.What the....noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-54366574405209995552015-02-04T13:26:51.893+00:002015-02-04T13:26:51.893+00:00Some say that antismoking should be countered with...Some say that antismoking should be countered with “free choice” arguments or exposing scientific fraud. These are important. However,<br />the approach that will have people questioning antismoking rhetoric is the<br />accurate depiction of antismokers as neurotic bigots.<br /><br /> There’s a 400 year history of antismoking. It’s a very sick history. There has been a litany of highly inflammatory claims made over all of those years, at least 99% of which were baseless, i.e., lies.<br /><br /> Antismokers are misocapnists/capnophobes. They believe that all places, indoor and out, must cater solely to their emotional mess, through force of law if necessary. They have manufactured tobacco smoke into a “magic<br />mist”, probably originating in another galaxy, imbued with all manner of “destructive potential” limited only by antismokers’ self-terrifying imaginings. Let antismokers loose and their claims become progressively more absurd and hysterical and their demands progressively more draconian and inhumane.<br /><br /> There’s more than ample evidence over centuries that the rabid antismoking mentality is a significant mental disorder. Only more dangerous is the physicalist framework – medically-monopolized Public Health, that obviously has no regard for mental, social, or even physical health, that<br />has lent “authority” to these antismoking nut cases.<br /><br /> Misocapnists are way, way, WAY worse than germaphobes.What the....noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-72913239343109750882015-02-04T12:34:56.623+00:002015-02-04T12:34:56.623+00:00They don't need profane stuff like "valid...They don't need profane stuff like <i>"valid reason" or "real science".</i> They got <b>The Cause!</b><br />Just like <i>islamist</i> terrorists pretend to do it all in the name of the <i>islam</i>,<br />the <i>healthist</i> terrorists pretend to do it all in the name of <i>Health.</i><br />Not much difference. Except that islamists expect their virgins, while healthists count their filthy lucre.Norbert Zillatronhttp://nzillatron.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-82178341912659949172015-02-04T11:26:22.369+00:002015-02-04T11:26:22.369+00:00Outdoor health risk from smoking? What about all ...Outdoor health risk from smoking? What about all the traffic fumes? They are hugely more toxic than any whiff of tobacco smoke! Even filling your car with diesel and to a slightly lesser degree, petrol will mean you are inhaling far more harmful fumes than you will from any whiff of tobacco smoke. Of course, it is not the policy of our 2.5 main political parties to point out these things as they would not be welcome by the majority of the population as most of us need our vehicles to get around.<br /><br /><br />It is a huge misjudgment, however, of those political parties to associate themselves with this fraudulent scaremongering, never mind actually hanging onto the coat tails of such fraudulent perpetrators!<br /><br /><br />If there is any real justice in this world then the election in May will hopefully scare the pants of those in politics who have held too much power for far too long and have completely lost sight of those of us who fund the majority of their whims and fancies!truckerlynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-626768802219877152015-02-04T10:38:24.303+00:002015-02-04T10:38:24.303+00:00Ahh... SFSW - what a bunch of charmers.
Let ...Ahh... <a href="http://www.smokefreesouthwest.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">SFSW </a> - what a bunch of charmers. <br /><br /><br />Let us not forget these parasites are using NHS money to promulgate unsubstantiated falsehoods and ensconced in pleasant offices in an up-market part of town - as far away as possible from actual "patients" (it being NHS funded).<br /><br /><br />Meanwhile your average Joe is regularly accosted in supermarket foyers across the region by tin rattlers for the <i>wholly voluntary funded helicopter ambulance</i> <br /><br /><br />An act of defiance is one thing I suppose.... what will <i>really</i> hurt them is if the connection between their dishonest (fraudulent) claims is combined with a "Paramedics NOT Posters" or "Helicopters NOT Hectoring" campaign and the highlighting of their more unashamedly invented output.... - and yes their <i>budget</i>TomOhttp://avoncliffmills.blogspot.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-50758945080716386002015-02-04T10:27:51.103+00:002015-02-04T10:27:51.103+00:00It's definitely a thought. ;)It's definitely a thought. ;)Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-46404760386132096952015-02-04T09:31:29.235+00:002015-02-04T09:31:29.235+00:00The power of the mob to control undesirables.
I f...<i>The power of the mob to control undesirables.</i><br /><br />I fancy they might be elevated with an acronym, like, oh,<br />State Tobacco Authority Social Informants... ring a bell?<br /><br />But the voluntary is only intended to demonstrate non-compliance, IMO, and fuel demands for bylaws with financial and legal consequences... you watch;- they'll be demanding bylaws soon!<br /><br />Already being attempted elsewhere... leaps to bylaw pressure by anti-smoking cabal/cartel when or even before "voluntary" fails...<br /><br />So yes, all this must, needs to be, soundly rejected... spoken out against...but how to do that?<br /><br />That might involve writing to MP's, writing comments on blogs, letters to editors, making these views public... and more public...<br /><br />Somehow, the communication lines need opening even more...<br /><br />So I'm thankful for DP & other bloggers, but we need to do even more, I think. Politicians will take notice when there is a volume.<br /><br />Maybe.<br /><br />Got to write... anyway. <br /><br />I've hardly started yet. <br /><br />RdMRdMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-38792364539827366902015-02-04T05:00:41.871+00:002015-02-04T05:00:41.871+00:00You may consider March 25th, National Smoking Day!...You may consider March 25th, National Smoking Day! Unlike Dick I have been to Bristol albeit many years ago and thoroughly enjoyed my stay there., I am shocked that the people of Bristol would even consider such a ban voluntary or not! Sadly that was a different time before positive discrimination became the norm.John Watsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-12066372382195556092015-02-04T04:36:47.026+00:002015-02-04T04:36:47.026+00:00I've never been to Bristol, never really attra...I've never been to Bristol, never really attracted me. But I quite fancy going there for a smoke at some point in the future now.<br />I would be up for it.<br />John Gibsonjohn gibsonnoreply@blogger.com