tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post700241200117251198..comments2024-01-01T16:01:35.711+00:00Comments on Dick Puddlecote: A Niemöller AvalancheDick Puddlecotehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-70989576706541079282010-08-03T13:37:05.148+01:002010-08-03T13:37:05.148+01:00Eventually this is going to end up in Court. You ...Eventually this is going to end up in Court. You would hope it would be someone in the hospitality trade but maybe someone who has had the medical service that they have paid into for decades and then had treatment refused will end up doing it.<br /><br />These lunatics have the PR and Media sewn up. Whereas I would love to assert all these things in a court of law and try and see anti-tobacco disprove it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-29216746950929564262010-08-03T10:40:50.389+01:002010-08-03T10:40:50.389+01:00You know what? I'd love to see them try and ma...You know what? I'd love to see them try and make this stick. I don't think they've got power to do this. Withholding treatment/sacking someone on the basis of an over-exaggerated fear of second-hand or third-hand smoke, a necessary corollary of a lawful activity, would be ultra-vires. Like those silly sods in Manchester, I reckon they haven't got the power to make those rules and not be susceptible to judicial review or being sued for breaching HR or emplyment legislation. "Proportionality" is the big thing these days- this is unproportional in the extreme.Private Widdlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-30748500442266020812010-08-03T10:28:09.103+01:002010-08-03T10:28:09.103+01:00Leading scientists leap to the defence of 'cor...Leading scientists leap to the defence of 'corrupt' Doll<br /><br />"Some of Britain's most senior scientists have angrily denounced suggestions that Sir Richard Doll, who proved the link between smoking and lung cancer, had deliberately failed to disclose financial dealings with the chemicals industry.<br />http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/leading-scientists-leap-to-the-defence-of-corrupt-doll-427708.html<br /><br /><br />Sir George Godber: Government's Chief Medical Officer who helped to establish the fledgling National Health Service<br /><br />"From New College, Godber undertook his medical training at the London Hospital and the London School of Hygiene."<br /><br />"Godber recollected that he had said in 1962 to Keith Joseph,<br />"we really have to do something about abolishing smoking"<br /><br />"Joseph looked quite shocked and said: "You really can't expect to abolish smoking." <br /><br />Godber replied: "No, but I want to see it reduced to an activity of consenting adults in private."<br /><br />http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/sir-george-godber-governments-chief-medical-officer-who-helped-to-establish-the-fledgling-national-health-service-1607201.html<br /><br />NHS Grampian is right on track.<br />http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/1854556?UserKey=<br /><br /><br />RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-2919204777157979572010-08-03T09:57:32.853+01:002010-08-03T09:57:32.853+01:00Here comes the own goals I reckon.
Smokers ,roughl...Here comes the own goals I reckon.<br />Smokers ,roughly 25% of the population.<br />Easy target for the puritans now.<br />Drinkers 90% + .<br />The overweight ,nowadays as less people smoke 40-50%.<br />Not such an easy target are they .<br />Bring it on ,it will be the last straw for the ritcheous as they will then have pissed off everybody.<br />Then everybody will start to KICK BACK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-90424824133319732482010-08-03T09:24:01.360+01:002010-08-03T09:24:01.360+01:00I forgot to mention that the "reckless drivin...I forgot to mention that the "reckless driving, sexual frenzy" bit came from the book Rockefeller Medicine Men.<br /><br />Which by strange coincidence both Doll and Godber were.<br /><br />Rockefeller Foundation = Standard Oil, Petrochemical drugs.<br /><br /><br />The DRUG STORY - 1949<br />http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/TheDrugStoryBeale.htm#What_Nujol_Started_<br /><br />"The new School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine was opened in its present building in Keppel Street, a gift from the Rockefeller Foundation. <br /><br />At that time, the term 'hygiene' was not restricted to its current meaning of 'cleanliness' or 'sanitary science', but was used in the wider sense of the establishment and maintenance of health - now more usually described as 'public health'"<br />http://www.lshtm.ac.uk/prospectus/intro/<br /><br />The British Medical Journal<br /><br />Medical Research Council<br />Rockefeller Medical Fellowships<br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2520659/pdf/brmedj07385-0032a.pdf<br /><br /><br />RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-13468054879003376032010-08-03T08:52:37.313+01:002010-08-03T08:52:37.313+01:00Toxicologic and Epidemiologic Clues from the Chara...Toxicologic and Epidemiologic Clues from the Characterization of the 1952 London Smog Fine Particulate Matter in Archival Autopsy Lung Tissues <br /><br />"During the catastrophic PM exposure episode in London in December 1952, some 4,000 excess deaths occurred at the height of the event. The extreme mortality during that episode and the preservation of archival autopsy tissues allow us the unique opportunity to report on the form and composition of December 1952 London PM in situ in tissues from persons known to have died from the smog exposure."<br />http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/2003/6114/6114.pdf<br /><br />Apparently the air had the ph of lemon juice, but this is a snapshot of what they were breathing every day, in Doll's London.<br /><br />They lied about the true death rate.<br /><br /><br />"The fog did not lift until 10 December. The government's interim report on the episode showed that there had been some 12,000 deaths as a result of the severe conditions. Then the 'spin doctors' of the day moved in. A cut-off date of 20 December was imposed, and at a stroke, the death toll was slashed to 4,000 in the final report issued nearly a year after the event."<br />http://www.staffs.ac.uk/schools/sciences/environment/GreatFog/fog6.html<br /><br />"To cover up the true extent of the smog disaster the government invented an influenza epidemic. <br />In fact research has shown there was no epidemic and that the thousands more people who continued to die for the next four months did so because of the air pollution."<br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,850909,00.html<br /><br />And both accepted and had altered the MRC report on smoking to save their own necks.<br /><br /><br />RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-77436697359676168132010-08-03T07:49:05.670+01:002010-08-03T07:49:05.670+01:00@ JM, if Gisele passes a law that you have to brea...@ JM, if Gisele passes a law that you have to breast feed, then I will pass a law saying she has to get her tits out more often as well, fair's fair.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-51780635203041884902010-08-03T06:57:55.270+01:002010-08-03T06:57:55.270+01:00"The floodgates are wide open now. Anti-smoki...<i>"The floodgates are wide open now. Anti-smoking lunatics have picked the lock and every <b>single issue fruitcake</b> is queueing up to dictate the way you live your life."</i> <br /><br />Aaaaaand <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/gisele-mothers-should-be-forced-to-breastfeed-2041687.html" rel="nofollow">right on cue</a>:<br /><br /><i>"I think there should be a worldwide law, in my opinion, that mothers should breastfeed their babies for six months."</i><br /><br />*sigh*JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-65838516365912043832010-08-03T01:14:43.728+01:002010-08-03T01:14:43.728+01:00Yes Leg-iron, as Jason Kane, the 66 year old scous...Yes Leg-iron, as Jason Kane, the 66 year old scouse comedian in Benidorm says, "We all die, and when I die I want to die of something. I want to die of having had a f.....g good life"timbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985165416240833253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-77788867478586500792010-08-03T00:18:21.520+01:002010-08-03T00:18:21.520+01:00There is some evidence that "urban living&quo...There is some evidence that "urban living" ergo air pollution may have some effect, but it is weak. For example the 2006 Neuberger paper into lung cancer in Iowa women came up with these results. BTW passive smoking was PROTECTIVE to lung cancer.<br /><br />"Urban Residence <br /> <br />Inside City limits 1.84 (1.35-2.51) <br /><br />Large County vs. Small 1.25 (0.90-1.73)<br /> <br />Medium County vs. Small 0.68 (0.50-0.92) <br /><br />The urban living is vaguely statistically significant but as it is <2.0 would require extensive research and other papers to back it up. Again the country dwellers have a small statistically significant decrease, but again the numbers are so small as not to be decisive. It could easily be explained in different diets and/or exposure to other virues, or even sexually transmitted diseases. The later being more prevelent on cities.<br /><br />I know Professor James Enstrom of Enstrom/Kabat fame is now working on diesel, proving it is not the cause of lung cancer. However the late Dr. Kitty Little did produce a paper saying that diesel was a source of lung cancer.<br /><br />As usual vested interests get in the way of the truth.DaveAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07249090980650806030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-46563509292750431832010-08-03T00:01:35.894+01:002010-08-03T00:01:35.894+01:00Further evidence of the precedent being played out...Further evidence of the precedent being played out <a href="http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/4203.html" rel="nofollow">across the Atlantic</a>.Dick Puddlecotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-15097119053775664942010-08-02T23:58:57.728+01:002010-08-02T23:58:57.728+01:00LI: I've already written something on the lap ...LI: I've already written something on the lap dancing thing, it's going up in the morning once I think of a bloody title. ;)Dick Puddlecotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-34870744017088796502010-08-02T23:57:25.647+01:002010-08-02T23:57:25.647+01:00The cat maybe out of the bag now. The Environment ...The cat maybe out of the bag now. The Environment Audit Committee wrote this 22/3/10.<br /><br />"Air pollution probably causes more deaths than passive smoking, traffic accidents or obesity.."<br /><br />"According to evidence presented to the inquiry, air pollution could be contributing to as many as 50,000 deaths per year – as it makes asthma worse and exacerbates heart disease and respiratory illness. Averaged across the whole UK population it is estimated that poor air quality is shortening lives by 7-8 months. In pollution hotspots it could be cutting the most vulnerable people’s lives short by as much as nine years, the report says."<br /><br />I take it ASH walk to work.<br /><br />http://news.parliament.uk/business/news/2010/03/early-deaths-from-air-pollution-shame-uk-says-report/DaveAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07249090980650806030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-9153532742149609412010-08-02T23:49:21.292+01:002010-08-02T23:49:21.292+01:00Fraser has another one for the list -
http://fras...Fraser has another one for the list - <br />http://fraserssoapbox.blogspot.com/2010/08/banned-from-recruiting-in-job-centres.html<br /><br />There is also a frenzy on those who like a bit of a tan at the moment. Sunbeds and suntans are in there with smoking and drinking.<br /><br />We're all going to feel very silly indeed in a few decades when we're lying in a hospital bed, dying of nothing.<br /><br />And reflecting on how much more fun our one and only chance at life could have been.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-30219692437284968642010-08-02T22:49:52.799+01:002010-08-02T22:49:52.799+01:00Fear of political embarrassment led to government ...Fear of political embarrassment led to government cover up of link between air pollution and lung cancer<br /><br />"Professor Virginia Berridge of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine's History Unit has researched papers relating to cabinet committee meetings in the late '50s looking into smoking, air pollution and lung cancer. <br /><br />She asserts that although there were clear political reasons for obscuring the link between air pollution and lung cancer, other factors, including a shifting public health agenda, which focused on an individual¹s responsibility for their health rather then environmental influences, were also key in ensuring that the issue of air pollution was 'damped down'.<br /><br />'It was pointed out that individuals could avoid the dangers of smoking but not those of pollution"<br />http://www.lshtm.ac.uk/news/2002/smogpollution.html<br /><br /><br />RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-55254687022976504242010-08-02T22:31:50.000+01:002010-08-02T22:31:50.000+01:00BLAMING THE VICTIM: NEW PROMINENCE
FOR AN OLD IDEO...BLAMING THE VICTIM: NEW PROMINENCE<br />FOR AN OLD IDEOLOGY<br /><br />"The cost of sloth, gluttony, alcoholic intemperance, reckless driving, sexual frenzy, and smoking have now become a national, not an individual, responsibility, all justified as individual freedom," asserts Dr. John Knowles, the influential president of the Rockefeller Foundation.<br /><br />"But one man's or woman's freedom in health is now another man's shackle in taxes and insurance premiums." <br /><br />Knowles sternly warns that "the cost of individual irresponsibility in health has become prohibitive"<br />http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0303critic/030312brown/brown5.htm<br /><br /><br />RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-67084074225799845782010-08-02T22:22:11.157+01:002010-08-02T22:22:11.157+01:00Old Niemöller used to smoke cigars. He reckoned th...Old Niemöller used to smoke cigars. He reckoned that God wouldn't have created tobacco if he hadn't wanted us to roll it up and smoke it.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-54205967778376354872010-08-02T22:21:00.663+01:002010-08-02T22:21:00.663+01:00One of my rather more feeble claims to fame is tha...One of my rather more feeble claims to fame is that I was once married to Niemöller's granddaughter. Never met the chap though as he had died two years previously.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-36764275206403584372010-08-02T22:05:48.996+01:002010-08-02T22:05:48.996+01:00Well and truly out of control..... bloody scary.Well and truly out of control..... bloody scary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-58238181329137640622010-08-02T21:45:46.335+01:002010-08-02T21:45:46.335+01:00Sounds a bit of allright ,all this
Third Reich stu...Sounds a bit of allright ,all this<br />Third Reich stuff about picking<br />on someone you dont like, it could<br />form the basis for an evenings <br />fullfillment. Plenty of hatred,<br />bigotry,aggression,abuse,division<br />and sheer mayhem. <br />Carrying a white stick and dragging a underfed Staffie into<br />a posers coven ,now that is what I call class allthough emptying a<br /> 500 ML bottle of stink bomb essence in a warm saloon can have a similar effect.<br />Anything for a bit of fun,as long<br />as its obnoxious and offensive.<br /><br />Muck SpreaderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-53686113593484316742010-08-02T21:34:49.871+01:002010-08-02T21:34:49.871+01:00"Squeaky is dead"
"No! How old was ..."Squeaky is dead"<br />"No! How old was he?"<br />"90"<br />"Well he had a good innings. What did he die of?"<br />"Good health".<br /><br />"Cleano has died as well"<br />"Not Cleano the health addict"<br />"Yep, only 60 as well"<br />"What did he die of?"<br />"Muesli overdose"timbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985165416240833253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-88577486985919939782010-08-02T21:08:42.518+01:002010-08-02T21:08:42.518+01:00I suppose you've read Michael Fumento:
"...I suppose you've read <a href="http://fumento.com/mcs/halifax2.html" rel="nofollow">Michael Fumento:</a><br /><br /><i>"Excuse me, dear," she says. "Are you aware that this hospital is a fragrance-free environment?"<br /><br />"Pardon?" I say.</i>Frank Davishttp://frank-davis.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-44459400669689750652010-08-02T21:07:57.672+01:002010-08-02T21:07:57.672+01:00Glad you commented, PC, as I was torn between the ...Glad you commented, PC, as I was torn between the BII link and <a href="http://pubcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2010/07/tilting-scales.html" rel="nofollow">your one</a> to illustrate the health aspect being brought into licensing. The BII got the nod as it was most recent, but now got yours in too. :)<br /><br />Niemöller poker does have potential, doesn't it?Dick Puddlecotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-84384166925426618722010-08-02T20:56:43.451+01:002010-08-02T20:56:43.451+01:00"those who put stress on the A&E service ...<i>"those who put stress on the A&E service by indulging in high-risk activities at speed in cars, on mountains and crags"</i><br /><br />Hmm, most forms of serious sport beyond gentle jogging carry an increased injury risk. But sport is supposed to be healthy, right? So are we going to end up with "Niemöller poker" to go alongside "Victimhood poker"?<br /><br />As a total aside, on the latter point, I thought the recent story of the site for a Gay Pride festival having been occupied by gypsies was utterly hilarious ;-)Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-29292683050430247572010-08-02T20:37:19.990+01:002010-08-02T20:37:19.990+01:00Please forward this post, with links, to Andrew La...Please forward this post, with links, to Andrew Lansley.<br /><br />Remember he has a big folder on his desk with "SAVE BILLIONS!" written on it. He needs to know where to start cutting. He might also be interested in Frank Davis' recent post which collected a number of "smoking ban" deaths, including the nurse who was killed while being forced to smoke outside.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com