tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post8101639090567954473..comments2024-01-01T16:01:35.711+00:00Comments on Dick Puddlecote: First Rule Of #COP5 Is You Do Not Talk About #COP5Dick Puddlecotehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-1655561641085228752012-11-16T19:24:07.834+00:002012-11-16T19:24:07.834+00:00You might want to check on who sponsored the South...You might want to check on who sponsored the South Korean Convention. You will find pharma companies who sell patches and gums and Chantix. They also started the second hand smoke myth with their paid off "scientists" to demonize smokers, not smoking, to sell their products. CLinton's Global Initiative is in on the money grab of pharma also. I find that particularly amusing since we all remember Clinton's cigar fixation. The American Cancer Society has most of the Quitline contracts, and they have received a fortune to lobbby for smoking bans. WHen you call the Quitline they tell you to use the patches and gums, which, according to last spring's Harvard study, don't work. Honeychile, these products are not MADE to work! They are made to use repeatedly and fail, and then blame that on the smoker! Always follow the moneySheila Martinhttp://www.facebook.com/people/Sheila-Martin/100000104130795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-24780225203283639682012-11-16T15:13:42.667+00:002012-11-16T15:13:42.667+00:00"vehemently attacks the EU for not being too ..."vehemently attacks the EU for not being too happy "<br /><br /><br /><br />Of course no one will ever see that attack in all its glory, nor are we likely to ever get a fully accurate report. You can bet your bippy the "official minutes" won't be giving one.<br /><br /><br />- MJMMichael McFaddenhttp://profiles.google.com/cantilopernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-3039632402228587942012-11-16T10:58:37.016+00:002012-11-16T10:58:37.016+00:00I can't see any logic or sense in this. What c...I can't see any logic or sense in this. What confuses me about the whole exercise is, simply, if they wish to increase revenue on and from tobacco and evidently for their own benefit, wouldn't it make more sense to ensure more sales?<br /><br /><br />Well, perhaps it's just me. I'm lost.Frank Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-81771107537796489232012-11-16T01:08:30.543+00:002012-11-16T01:08:30.543+00:00The more I hear about all these secret talks, and ...The more I hear about all these secret talks, and the deeper the one-eyed obsession with eradicating smoking even in places which are torn apart by war, or famine, or drought, or lack of sanitation, or even the most basic of healthcare provision, becomes, the more suspicious I get that there’s something about smoking that really, really scares the pants off the powers-that-be. Why do they have to whisper so secretly about their plans? We know they don’t like dissent, for sure, but they have enough power and influence (and money) at their disposal to make light of even the most vehement and valid objections, and they know it - so why the need for all this cloak-and-dagger stuff? OK, so their plans aren’t as wildly popular with most members of the public as they say they are. We all know that, but it hasn’t made a jot of difference to their achieving success all over the place, so it can’t be that which makes them creep about like a bunch of spies. OK, so their “science” is flawed at best and totally made up at worst, but ditto – they know that the majority of the public won’t bother to look into their claims, so there can’t be any great need to worry about being exposed in that way, either. OK, so it isn’t about health and never has been, but even the average non-smoker has rumbled that by now and has done little to protest about having been fooled for so long, so no need for secrecy there, either.<br /> <br />No, I think it’s much more fundamental than that. It isn’t the fact that they are telling us lies, and always have been – which people on here are only too aware of – <i>it’s because the truth is the exact opposite of what they’ve been telling us</i>. Smoking makes people live longer, it makes them resistant to countless diseases, it makes them happier and friendlier and more able to get along with each other, it inspires creativity and initiative and moves society onto a higher plane. All the things, in fact, which are a very real and direct threat to those who currently hold all the power in the world – national governments, the WHO, the UN, the EU – all of them. It’s far better for those big players to keep people sick and isolated and uninspired and depressed and fearful of death striking them at any moment, because that way they are frightened and easy to control. That’s why they are so keen to push tobacco control in countries where there are, to be frank, much bigger and more urgent problems which they should be addressing – because if those problems <i>were</i> addressed (as they should be), but, once addressed, those people were still allowed the freedom to smoke, there would be a very real threat that as societies – both economically and socially – they would progress in leaps and bounds and overtake the uninspired, fed-up, anti-smoking-controlled western world.<br /> <br />So maybe the reason why anti-smoking discussions have to held behind closed doors isn’t because they don’t want people to realise how much they are lying – it’s because they don’t want people to know the reason <i>why</i> they are.Jaxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-65465017913537687352012-11-16T00:25:21.804+00:002012-11-16T00:25:21.804+00:00For some background on eugenics, see comments by “...For some background on eugenics, see comments by “Magnetic”.<br /><br />http://cfrankdavis.wordpress.com/2011/06/23/the-nazi-antismoking-legacy-1/What the....noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-36529146949949177412012-11-15T22:59:18.327+00:002012-11-15T22:59:18.327+00:00Too much of this and we will have to reverse our p...Too much of this and we will have to reverse our position and support the UK's staying in the EU! Oh dear.woodsy42noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-41372692478100444652012-11-15T21:18:24.779+00:002012-11-15T21:18:24.779+00:00Aha,
It's crucial you keep up with these awar...Aha,<br /><br />It's crucial you keep up with these awards peoples.<br /><br />They nominated - and subsequently awarded the Marlboro Man Award to the Netherlands. The link is pre award, but it rather seems what raised their ire was a judge who refused their petition to remove the right of small bars to allow smoking throughout.<br /><br />Philip Morris must surely get a kick out that one!<br /><br />https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2012/05/14-7Smoking Scotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-67248567599216273142012-11-15T21:16:37.265+00:002012-11-15T21:16:37.265+00:00Can I just test?Can I just test?Junicannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-47617408899605007152012-11-15T21:13:57.611+00:002012-11-15T21:13:57.611+00:00I do believe that the common or garden junior zeal...I do believe that the common or garden junior zealots actually believe that the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control Treaty is legally binding. If the ex public health minister, Milton MP, can say in the House of Commons that it is, who can blame them? The reality is that it is NOT legal binding at all. Think about the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation. The nations of Europe combined for defence reasons and agreed especially that if one of those nations was attacked, then it was tantamount to an attack on all. None of those nations <i>had to</i> join the organisation and none of them <i>have to</i> remain in the organisation. The United Kingdom need not enact laws which put into effect the FCTC's decisions if it does not wish to do so. I wonder how many people know that the FCTC was not actually 'passed' by the HoC? Treaties are rarely enacted by the HoC - the Government of the day enter into treaties. <br /><br />I wonder how many other MPs believe the same as Milton MP? It would not surprise one bit if most of them do! <br /><br />The horror of it!James Watsonhttp://www.facebook.com/Junicannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-63014800578648793202012-11-15T20:33:07.475+00:002012-11-15T20:33:07.475+00:00Much potential for a precedent, definitely. And no...Much potential for a precedent, definitely. And not much chance of denying it since #cop5 delegates themselves have brought the subject up!Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-92028280470943745452012-11-15T20:31:52.134+00:002012-11-15T20:31:52.134+00:00It's a cracker, isn't it? :)It's a cracker, isn't it? :)Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-17254166747380195982012-11-15T19:58:33.943+00:002012-11-15T19:58:33.943+00:00"In other words, the EU doesn't like the ...<i>"In other words, the EU doesn't like the way this sinister idea is <br />heading and is exercising its collective 'sovereign right' to defend its<br /> own taxation policies ..."</i><br /><br />Ha! The biter bit! They don't like it up 'em, do they?<br /><br />The whole COP5 thing is an utter farce, albeit a very dangerous one. If they push through this global tobacco tax, it will open the floodgates to all sorts of nastiness. <br /><br />NWO anyone?nisakimannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-62992171918721232052012-11-15T19:48:01.388+00:002012-11-15T19:48:01.388+00:00Fanatical anti-smoking prohibitionists acuse other...Fanatical anti-smoking prohibitionists acuse others of "refusing to compromise"! There can be no more satire after this.Christopher Snowdonhttp://twitter.com/cjsnowdonnoreply@blogger.com