tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post8662588902386011589..comments2024-01-01T16:01:35.711+00:00Comments on Dick Puddlecote: Plain Packaging For Alcohol Confirmed As Future Policy Objective?Dick Puddlecotehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-81539012737518719022012-05-30T00:43:52.286+01:002012-05-30T00:43:52.286+01:00The internet is full of opinions and disapproval&#...The internet is full of opinions and disapproval's, but no matter how loud you express your disgust and outrage, what you generally disagree about happens anyway. why? because "we" let it happen.<br /><br />Cigarettes WILL become extinct<br />Alcohol WILL be a thing of the past<br />The food we love love WILL disappear<br />Your freedom WILL be heavily restricted<br />The right to think for yourself WILL be stripped away from you.<br /><br />The point im trying to make is, the change that will lead to a fascist state will happen, and there is NOTHING you can do about it.<br /><br />Im sorryAshraf Uddinhttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002369548169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-15204312503607009562012-05-02T14:20:30.971+01:002012-05-02T14:20:30.971+01:00And they have already got a vast number of paranoi...And they have already got a vast number of paranoid followers - those that are scared witless that the tiniest whiff of tobacco smoke will kill them! <br /><br />People who can actually be that gullible are the ones that will help to drive these sorts of campaigns ever further.Lyn Laddsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-36163299628462969082012-05-02T01:24:32.592+01:002012-05-02T01:24:32.592+01:00tut... I hate to repeat myself , but ... wfms, etc...tut... I hate to repeat myself , but ... wfms, etc...D'babenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-40560067842556710042012-05-01T22:32:56.742+01:002012-05-01T22:32:56.742+01:00 Dr. Jürgen Rehm Dr. Jürgen Rehmivandenisovichnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-76562399560372920622012-05-01T19:30:33.082+01:002012-05-01T19:30:33.082+01:00“First of all they will have to get around the pro...<em>“First of all they will have to get around the problem that alcohol is allegedly good for you in moderation.”</em><br /><br />They'll either do it that way, ivandenisovich, or they'll put it on prescription.But yes, that “yet” speaks volumes, doesn't it? Whether or not it's officially in AC's long-term plans or not, it's patently obvious that it's the way Ms. Robinson is thinking herself. And a pressure group is the sum of its members.Plus, I'd say that it's a much weaker denial than Bates's “nobody is seriously talking about...”.Sam Duncannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-46956566677790223062012-05-01T18:26:23.538+01:002012-05-01T18:26:23.538+01:00Err, who is he?Err, who is he?Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-44436071017205778302012-05-01T16:42:43.317+01:002012-05-01T16:42:43.317+01:00The YET is a major giveaway. This character is som...The YET is a major giveaway. This character is someone to look out for. He is a very unpleasant arrogant man. <br /><br /> ivandenisovichnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-45118816585602406472012-05-01T14:30:14.525+01:002012-05-01T14:30:14.525+01:00I don't think the trade will think large rotti...I don't think the trade will think large rotting livers too attractive for their products. ;)Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-88449907373128185452012-05-01T14:29:16.558+01:002012-05-01T14:29:16.558+01:00There were smoker bans in the US before and during...There were smoker bans in the US before and during his time, he was fully aware that it would be a future policy proposal. Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-45884787950294900962012-05-01T12:44:59.981+01:002012-05-01T12:44:59.981+01:00To be fair, Clive Bates was head of ASH UK from 19...To be fair, Clive Bates was head of ASH UK from 1997 to 2003. I'm not sure he wanted a complete ban on smoking in pubs. It wasn't in the Labour manifesto and only came about in 2005 when Arnott was in charge.JonathanBagleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-41678785157928282812012-05-01T09:03:14.261+01:002012-05-01T09:03:14.261+01:00Given the different way in which alcoholic drinks ...Given the different way in which alcoholic drinks are distributed and consumed compared with tobacco, I really see plain packaging as something of an irrelevance in the alcohol market. Indeed some upmarket products deliberately make a point of very austere and understated labelling, and in the on-trade you usually don't get to see the package anyway. Alcoholic drinks are also much more differentiated purely from their names. The key elements in the toolkit are banning advertising and promotion, and banning self-service in the off-trade, which you never got for tobacco anyway apart from duty-frees. Once that has been done, plain packaging is largely irrelevant.Curmudgeonhttp://pubcurmudgeon.blogspot.in/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-26216486787056819002012-05-01T04:18:40.883+01:002012-05-01T04:18:40.883+01:00Plain packaging, a car-crash/train-wreck, in progr...Plain packaging, a car-crash/train-wreck, in progress.Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-10393885635801082292012-05-01T04:16:29.129+01:002012-05-01T04:16:29.129+01:00Drinkers, meet smokers.Drinkers, meet smokers.Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-92058056919833386182012-04-30T21:47:55.367+01:002012-04-30T21:47:55.367+01:00I am going to invest in a crystal decanter or two,...I am going to invest in a crystal decanter or two, I think.<br /><br />May look a bit odd with red wine or London Porter in it, mind, but better than the gore-fest from so-called plain packaging.…Zaphhttp://twitter.com/dotZaphnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-81063220967039155272012-04-30T21:10:23.365+01:002012-04-30T21:10:23.365+01:00Yep, that'll be the plan. Yep, that'll be the plan. Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-13476378389501630832012-04-30T21:06:16.768+01:002012-04-30T21:06:16.768+01:00First of all they will have to get around the prob...First of all they will have to get around the problem that alcohol is allegedly good for you in moderation. This will be achieved by a combination of paying unscrupulous academics to get the "right" answers and accepting garbage from those who are naturally inclined towards self righteous authoritarianism. The methodology will be deliberately opaque but will rely on statistical gymnastics almost certainly involving systematic reviews and meta-analysis.<br /> <br />The most likely approach will be the no safe level of consumption with respect to cancer route. It is a relatively easy claim to make using rubbish data and as the example of passive smoking has shown, there is absolutely no need for robust, high quality research in order to establish something as a fact. A few nice catchy sound bites based on nothing much whatsoever will do for the faithful.<br /><br />Taking the cancer route gives access to highly paid propaganda experts who will wrap the junk science in glitzy packaging and use sophisticated marketing techniques to sell it to your elected representatives together with the army of sad people who are only happy if they are involved in an illiberal campaign of some sort or other. Nobody will stand up to them as they will claim that “it is for the children” and if “it saves just one life it will be worth it”. Battered wives, alcoholic husbands and 21 year old cirrhosis victims will be paraded until eventually the scarred livers appear on the bottles.ivandenisovichnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-4600695825607772872012-04-30T19:55:23.049+01:002012-04-30T19:55:23.049+01:00You spotted that bit too, then? Yes, certainly rai...You spotted that bit too, then? Yes, certainly raised a smile, so it did. :)Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-56992691900116733702012-04-30T19:49:50.105+01:002012-04-30T19:49:50.105+01:00There's no evidence that plain packaging will ...There's no evidence that plain packaging will reduce tobacco-related harm either. Doesn't stop them wanting to do it.Curmudgeonhttp://pubcurmudgeon.blogspot.in/noreply@blogger.com