tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post1714454657441952775..comments2024-01-01T16:01:35.711+00:00Comments on Dick Puddlecote: How To Rig A Public Consultation?Dick Puddlecotehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-12874591646553130802012-05-30T23:12:38.016+01:002012-05-30T23:12:38.016+01:00I don't know if there is a way at all?
Legal t...I don't know if there is a way at all?<br />Legal translator at http://www.the-business-translator.co.uk/Bjorn Hallberghttp://www.facebook.com/bjorn.hallberg.1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-8179682303405914112012-05-18T19:28:39.772+01:002012-05-18T19:28:39.772+01:00It'll wind you up, undoubtedly. ;)
The whole ...It'll wind you up, undoubtedly. ;)<br /><br />The whole process looks to be a public and evidence-free farce. Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-23282147158404626152012-05-18T16:54:19.921+01:002012-05-18T16:54:19.921+01:00You know, I think after all these years of anti-sm...You know, I think after all these years of anti-smoking shit, this one act of wilful manipulation by the UK govt has made me angrier than anything else. Dunno why this one in particular, there's been plenty to get cross about.<br /><br />I was pretty angry yesterday when I wrote a comment (above); after 24 hours of simmering I am now coldly incandescent with rage.<br /><br />Dick, you wrote in reply to Nisakiman: "I've got more which will make you even more speechless. ;)"<br /><br />I suspect I'm about to go supernova over this weekend, then.Lysistrata Eleftherianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-21105528495527287872012-05-18T00:18:33.128+01:002012-05-18T00:18:33.128+01:00Is there any way of demanding that the their delib...Is there any way of demanding that the their deliberations be published in real time on-line? If the procedings of parliamentary committees can be so published (by being broadcast live on TV), I see no reason why people should not be privy to the meetings and discussions of these groups. junican41noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-63342669100839551692012-05-17T22:10:48.910+01:002012-05-17T22:10:48.910+01:00I've got more which will make you even more sp...I've got more which will make you even <i>more</i> speechless. ;)Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-63087653528270894542012-05-17T22:04:54.643+01:002012-05-17T22:04:54.643+01:00Does nobody have a line to the MSM? Papers like th...Does nobody have a line to the MSM? Papers like the DT are only too keen to run exclusive exposés about expenses scandals. Why won't they run something like this? Are they unaware? Or is it considered politically incorrect? I would have thought that this was a juicy morsel for a journalist wanting to increase his byline status. It's very obviously blatant rigging of the whole process, so why doesn't someone (apart from you, DP) say something?<br /><br />I'm rendered (almost) speechless by the perfidy of these people.nisakimannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-55432510898621831632012-05-17T21:18:49.717+01:002012-05-17T21:18:49.717+01:00Probably the best thing you've ever splattered...Probably the best thing you've ever splattered on here, that. ;)Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-49195792061641371692012-05-17T21:07:00.931+01:002012-05-17T21:07:00.931+01:00Lansley and other political pimps only listen to t...Lansley and other political pimps only listen to the selected presssure groups who select themselves in any case.<br />Tiny minority interest groups now contol the agenda,the pleas and<br />concerns of the ordinary drowned out by the thundering chatter of<br />off beat freaks,weirdos,perverts,witches,wizards and odd balls<br />The chicken livered MPs just have not got the guts to stand up and<br />push the chatterers back up their ivory Towers.<br />We are now witnessing the death throes of representative democracy,<br />the coffin awaits.<br /><br />A voice in the Wilderness.Et Tu Westminsternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-90717215275439418042012-05-17T19:13:33.562+01:002012-05-17T19:13:33.562+01:00 Or as I always like to put it; "Like consult... Or as I always like to put it; "Like consulting the BNP regarding the impact of immigration."<br /><br />It really does make me physically sick.RTSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-86835433516086130862012-05-17T19:02:45.278+01:002012-05-17T19:02:45.278+01:00You're probably right Jay, but I still think i...You're probably right Jay, but I still think it's important to respond to it in some way, preferably in detail. It doesn't take long and the more responses ignored, the more rigged the process is seen to be.<br /><br />They airbrushed out 25,000 from the tobacco display consultation, even after lying to parliament in the preparation. Our job is to keep being awkward and making them jump through ever more corrupt hoops.Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-86868305010550514452012-05-17T19:01:18.172+01:002012-05-17T19:01:18.172+01:00Like putting vegans to make a study for the benefi...Like putting vegans to make a study for the benefits of meat and other vegans will peer review it... objectively ofcourse....<br /><br />Perhaps though Dick if they put Stanton and Simon together that is going to work on our benefit? As far I know, those two don't get along ( Well at least not in the smoking/movies rating issue)Dim Δημητρης Karagiannishttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1169832285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-2416195925445185292012-05-17T18:50:37.321+01:002012-05-17T18:50:37.321+01:00Which is why this "consultation" is abso...Which is why this "consultation" is absolutely pointless. Anybody else excited for the 5th of November? I be thinking 'bout a party, I do.Jayhttp://nannyingtyrants.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-60432668859497065402012-05-17T18:40:39.913+01:002012-05-17T18:40:39.913+01:00 "The latter two requirements suggested by Ho... "The latter two requirements suggested by Hora<br />and van Winterfeldt (impartiality and lack of an economic or personal stake in<br />potential findings) are considered impractical in this area..."<br /><br />I've just looked up these two people (and it's von not van) and started to read what they actually say about the elicitation and use of expert judgment: for example, in this paper on how to assess the dangers of waste from a nuclear power station:<br /><br />http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML0401/ML040150792.pdf<br /><br /><br /><br />I also looked at a briefing referring to the Cooke classical model and EXCALIBUR method regarding elicitation and expert judgment:<br /><br />http://risk2.ewi.tudelft.nl/ejwshop_2011_files/Aspinall_Briefing_Note_on_Classical_Model_and_EXCALIBUR_Jul_2011.pdf<br /><br />In both papers, the elimination of bias and personal views is stressed, to the extent that any expert holding extreme or influenced views is given less weighting in the mathematical formulae applied. Strict adherence to scientific methods is also stressed.<br /><br />It's obvious that including only tobacco-control experts negates the whole exercise.<br /><br />It's also obvious that the people commissioning this exercise (and it won't come cheap) have taken the decades-old discipline of eliciting expert judgment and, like a greedy toddler at a party, have simply taken the bit they wanted, licked the icing off the cake and thrown the cake on the floor.Lysistrata Eleftherianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-487664138938135592012-05-17T18:16:44.536+01:002012-05-17T18:16:44.536+01:00Will let you off, this time Dick! :)Will let you off, this time Dick! :)truckerlynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-6890858449922358362012-05-17T17:48:57.050+01:002012-05-17T17:48:57.050+01:00Yes, I meant to put the word in inverted commas. ;...Yes, I meant to put the word in inverted commas. ;)Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-27421791837072132312012-05-17T17:38:36.323+01:002012-05-17T17:38:36.323+01:00Meant to add, the irony is that we send our troops...Meant to add, the irony is that we send our troops to fight for the freedom of others whilst our governments sit pretty and daily erode our freedoms!truckerlynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-48795983883339861862012-05-17T17:37:39.021+01:002012-05-17T17:37:39.021+01:00This is what passes for democratic process in this...This is what passes for democratic process in this wonderful free country of ours.<br /><br />Since when did we live in a free country, Dick? To me, it seems that long ago now, I honestly cannot remember!truckerlynnoreply@blogger.com