tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post375317496158018420..comments2024-01-01T16:01:35.711+00:00Comments on Dick Puddlecote: This Might Help, So Let's Block ItDick Puddlecotehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-71345802529816956432013-01-19T20:40:39.996+00:002013-01-19T20:40:39.996+00:00It's fast becoming my catchphrase, but your st...It's fast becoming my catchphrase, but your story again seems to illustrate that this 'public health' drive over tobacco has never had anything to do with health.Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-75445893267461417092013-01-19T20:31:51.187+00:002013-01-19T20:31:51.187+00:00"A cynic might think there was some conspirac..."A cynic might think there was some conspiracy to close the nicotine market to anything but pharmaceutical products"<br />Spot on. I have used Swedish snus for many years. It was cheaper than cigarettes, more convenient to use than smoking when working manually outside and my breathing was better. Then, the EU decided to ban its export to member countries. They've desperately tried to prove that snus is harmful, but been unable to do so, so what is the real reason for the ban? Either the pharmaceutical companies lobbying the EU in this crony-capitalistic society we live in, or just the health parasites in the EU deciding they know what's best for everybody and exerting power for the sake of it. I hate them all!Andy Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-77680716921452142252013-01-18T21:57:48.755+00:002013-01-18T21:57:48.755+00:00And they have "regained credibility" in ...And they have "regained credibility" in the eyes of the gullible by hiding behind the skirts of the politicos currently running CRUK. Who needs public support when you can take advantage of people who think that they are donating to a more worthy cause?Ivan Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-70880232808975895992013-01-18T20:52:10.523+00:002013-01-18T20:52:10.523+00:00You're one of the ones the TCI hate most. Dual...You're one of the ones the TCI hate most. Dual users, they say, are not reducing their harm, merely introducing more harm to their already filthy lifestyles. <br /><br /><br />Might be something to do with the lost duties too (much of which ends up financing their summer holidays), I reckon. ;)Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-65281712554654691112013-01-18T20:09:40.765+00:002013-01-18T20:09:40.765+00:00Now discredited? I wish. They still have the ear o...Now discredited? I wish. They still have the ear of TPTB, and until that connection (and the funding that goes with it) is severed, I think 'discredited' is a subjective term.nisakimannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-90093113341683802162013-01-18T19:29:04.609+00:002013-01-18T19:29:04.609+00:00I'm a smoker, prior to purchasing my Skycig st...I'm a smoker, prior to purchasing my Skycig starter pack just before Christmas I was on 20 fags a day. I'm now on 5 cigarettes and one Skycig Crown Tobacco cartridge a day. E-cigs are great and the Crown Tobacco flavour is fantastic (just a feint hint of coffee when exhaling - delicious!) and I can puff my e-cig wherever I like, even in Terminal 5. <br /><br />"Molon labe", as King Leonidas the First said. I'll not give up my e-cigs without a fight. I have been 'denormalised' once; never again!Steve Brownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-7290885099379826592013-01-18T19:08:41.160+00:002013-01-18T19:08:41.160+00:00You mean "drug dealers"?You mean "drug dealers"?George Spellerhttp://www.facebook.com/people/George-Speller/1046658695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-65294025315370932542013-01-18T19:07:41.500+00:002013-01-18T19:07:41.500+00:00You mean "the now discredited ASH"?You mean "the now discredited ASH"?George Spellerhttp://www.facebook.com/people/George-Speller/1046658695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-37347860841391814802013-01-18T18:51:57.547+00:002013-01-18T18:51:57.547+00:00Yes. It is.Yes. It is.Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-68455086685658640872013-01-18T18:51:35.183+00:002013-01-18T18:51:35.183+00:00Ta for that.
Though I don't see how not bein...Ta for that.<br /><br /><br />Though I don't see how not being able to show the product itself is going to help them. It's like saying "you may have vaguely heard of these complicated devices, so why not blindly shell out £30 for one". <br /><br /><br />There is still no proven harm from them, and they are not tobacco products so should have been allowed to explain how they work. Though I do understand the quack remedies angle.<br /><br /><br />It still would seem to be a state-created fuck up. Everything big tobacco control demands is supposed to be 'urgent', yet there are definitely people smoking now who would not be if this ad hadn't been delayed for over a year.Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-49987024416527679022013-01-18T18:45:59.960+00:002013-01-18T18:45:59.960+00:00"the MHRA has unilaterally defined ecigs as m...<i>"the MHRA has unilaterally defined ecigs as medicinal products"</i><br /><br /><br /><br />Interesting, because they are due to report on their consultation in May IIRC. That was not the outcome which was most favoured. Looks like pharma may have been busy behind the scenes again.Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-33872662942586439782013-01-18T14:38:12.476+00:002013-01-18T14:38:12.476+00:00It's because ASH and the other publicly funded...It's because ASH and the other publicly funded imbeciles who are like them keep jumping up and down inside Government offices shouting "but they're just like cigarettes aren't they? No different! they even look like cigarettes and cigarettes are evil and kill children and puppies and stuff!"<br /><br /><br />I suspect the answer really is as retarded as that...John Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-69518421156296249582013-01-18T14:06:03.814+00:002013-01-18T14:06:03.814+00:00The ASA isn't the government - although it doe...The ASA isn't the government - although it does on occasion get a little too cuddly with them for my liking. More importantly, broadcast adverts are governed by statute rather than - as with press advertising - a self-regulatory code. The health section is particularly onerous - not to deal with cigarettes, whisky or willd wild women but chiefly to deal with the flogging of quack remedies, slimming plans and diet supplements. It seems to me that Clearcast are actually doing the e-cigs business a big favour by spending so much time to get the ad within the regulations governing health claims. We can be 100% sure that the anti-tobacco loons will report the ad - if Clearcast have cleared it and vetted the health claims the ASA is less likely to black the advert.Simon Cookenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-72069698741278921642013-01-18T12:18:10.440+00:002013-01-18T12:18:10.440+00:00I think the Government is under huge pressure from...I think the Government is under huge pressure from drug companies. The MHRA approval of medicines is funded by the drug companies and the MHRA has unilaterally defined ecigs as medicinal products (R4 Your and Yours earlier this week) in an attempt to gain control. Nevertheless, ecig TV adverts will appear and one already has. Skycig (see their website) currently has an ad on 5USA, although you wouldn't know it was an advert for ecigs without an image of the pack on the screen. Remember the purple silk with the cut in it? I think we can rely on the ingenuity of the advertising industry.JonathanBagleynoreply@blogger.com