tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post4043384374498281451..comments2024-01-01T16:01:35.711+00:00Comments on Dick Puddlecote: What We Learned From Ellison And Chantler TodayDick Puddlecotehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-56752957993893214152014-04-05T17:25:58.628+01:002014-04-05T17:25:58.628+01:00"The tobacco industry argues that all of its ..."The tobacco industry argues that all of its marketing activity, including packaging, aims solely to persuade existing adult smokers to switch brand and never targets children or new smokers......<br /><br /><br /><br />How the hell do they come up with that load of b***s**t?<br /><br /><br />If smokers want to change brands they will, with or without plain packaging. Plain packaging just means the smoker will go to the counter and ask for his/her regular brand!<br /><br /><br />Parliament should hereby by renamed "The Loony Bin"! (No offence meant to anyone suffering, as I do, with mental health problems).truckerlynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-86750705461600900332014-04-05T17:22:58.837+01:002014-04-05T17:22:58.837+01:00It's about time we had a government in the UK ...It's about time we had a government in the UK that actually had a pair of balls between them, stood up for what is right, sacked these pathetic, money grabbing lobbyists and insisted they got real jobs. They should also turn the tables, showing that these anti neurotics are the ones ACTUALLY harming children, due to them now having parents with much less patience due to the undue stress they are under and can no longer smoke to help reduce it!<br /><br /><br />Then again, as the 3 main political parties in the UK are mostly full of public schoolboys, don't see any of them growing a pair of balls anytime soon!truckerlynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-77458743162997942032014-04-05T17:13:34.456+01:002014-04-05T17:13:34.456+01:00Just goes to show these public schoolboys are no b...Just goes to show these public schoolboys are no bloody good at anything, except brown nosing to their 'wealthier than them' friends!truckerlynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-8108556553783668772014-04-04T13:26:50.672+01:002014-04-04T13:26:50.672+01:00"The problem lies in the fact that the politi..."The problem lies in the fact that the politicians don't want it either.........to support the wanton murder of thousands of innocent children."<br /><br />Agree completely. When Cameron in the House of Commons stated that the ban was a 'success', his delivery and body language stated anything but.<br /><br />I've consistently said that the ONLY problem is SHS. Without it, the whole thing is dead in the water. Whilst it remains unchallenged, we'll continue to hear, progressively, unhinged claims.Frank Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-5320552480651213682014-04-04T01:29:12.773+01:002014-04-04T01:29:12.773+01:00Civil disobedience from smokers or vapers? Never g...Civil disobedience from smokers or vapers? Never going to happen @Tony , not en masse, not with enough numbers that matter. Far too many smokers & vapers are much too lazy - would rather tweet than get out there; most would rather read a blog post and get angry at home, but do nothing more; most simply do not give a fuck. Not all of them. Just most. It's a numbers game. Civil disobedience won't happen any time soon -- not until you can no longer buy cigarettes, legally or illegally, nor grow your own legally or illegally -- only then it might happen in the same way that people quietly disobey behind closed doors, a la cannabis users. That day is coming. And the vast majority of smokers will accept it, even be grateful for somebody telling them what to do. This is England. This is the UK. This is most of the world. You want things to change? What are you willing to do? Would you put yourself at risk? Would you really?Jayhttp://nannyingtyrants.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-30218056626161981662014-04-03T22:54:25.243+01:002014-04-03T22:54:25.243+01:00Maybe a little longer. I seemed to sense that the ...Maybe a little longer. I seemed to sense that the slope was becoming more slippery with the banning of all tobacco advertising - the first action that I felt to be truly offensive to the intellect - and that was in the late 90's if I recall correctly (Ecclestone et al).<br /><br />OT, I was in Germany last week, and was quite surprised to see ciggies (real ones, not plastic) advertised on billboards and magazines! Sadly Cologne's bars had the now familiar sight of smokers outside bars in the (very) cold night air - which seems to be a recent development as our hotel was supposed to have a 'cigar bar' in it. The bar was still there, but without ashtrays - and empty all of the time we were there. Just a lone barman and a pianist! I hope that other parts of Germany are still holding out, as I will be going further afield later this year.<br /><br />On the up-side, Cigarette prices in Germany are now below those of Belgium. €5.70 for 20 B&H in Bruges, €4.80 in Cologne. Had I known, I would have saved another €225 by buying my 'bring-home' stash in Cologne. Bugger!<br /><br />Oh, and €6.00 for a packet of 26! 26 - I kid you not.<br /><br />How's that for 'standardised' packaging!BrianBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-1201951083614764122014-04-03T22:17:05.768+01:002014-04-03T22:17:05.768+01:00The problem lies in the fact that the politicians ...The problem lies in the fact that the politicians don't want it either, BUT they are being ruthlessly blackmailed by the Antismokers: if they vote the wrong way they'll be held up as allying with Big Tobacco to support the wanton murder of thousands of innocent children. <br /><br /><br />It's a type of lobbying that may be unique in human history. Yes, there have always been pressure groups, and yes, politicians have always been threatened by those groups. But where else in history can you see the threat being as effective as it is today? Even in the late 1930s, UK politicians who liked Hitler could probably have voted for policies in his favor and felt less threatened by a group threatening to call them "pro-Nazi." Heck, watch a few episodes of Foyle's War and get a feel for the number of Brits who liked Hitler even DURING the war! But at least Hitler wasn't seen as "murdering Children" (particularly not murdering British Children) until the Luftwaffe started dropping bombs.<br /><br /><br />The Antismokers have spent decades honing this particular weapon in their arsenal, and it's a very hard one to fight against -- which is why they love it. The best response I've been able to come up with is to frequently point out the various ways they actually abuse our children, or at least our love for our children, in pursuit of their political goals.<br /><br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttp://tobakkonacht.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-71008834694711140842014-04-03T22:07:28.103+01:002014-04-03T22:07:28.103+01:00Or that Chantler is being blackmailed by organised...Or that Chantler is being blackmailed by organised crime to deliver this report to help their 'business'. It's the only way I can make sense of it. Has anyone checked on his relatives recently?Pitkinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-3412952339443495192014-04-03T22:03:56.588+01:002014-04-03T22:03:56.588+01:00I'd say it started around 10 years ago too, or...I'd say it started around 10 years ago too, or that's when I started to notice anyway. Chances are the process began maybe 4 or 5 years before that, so undoubtedly a Blair legacy.Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-48223073194226943962014-04-03T22:03:02.292+01:002014-04-03T22:03:02.292+01:00Agree. Especially since it's the largest publi...Agree. Especially since it's the largest public response to any public consultation in British history, and the government ignored it.Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-23119180335264286222014-04-03T21:58:43.463+01:002014-04-03T21:58:43.463+01:00I've been increasingly despairing for the past...I've been increasingly despairing for the past 10 years (Blair's vile legacy still lives on) and I feel I'm very close to the end of my tether..<br /><br />So I'm all for civil disobedience right now - and I'm not too fussed about it being peaceful, either. These people have well earned any violence that may come to them.<br /><br />If someone wishes to 'denormalise' me - then I'll take great pleasure in 'denormalising' their bollocks!<br /><br />10 years ago I would never have felt like this. This is what the bastards have reduced me to!BrianBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-41273052166889152652014-04-03T21:58:07.560+01:002014-04-03T21:58:07.560+01:00The only rational explanation is that the majority...The only rational explanation is that the majority of HOC are actively involved in the black market of illicit tobacco.Smoking Hotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-62503765345808139792014-04-03T21:31:49.462+01:002014-04-03T21:31:49.462+01:00Been having a Twitter convo but thought I would sa...Been having a Twitter convo but thought I would say it on here that character limit is a right balls ache.<br /><br /><br />Anyway as I was saying, the way I see it this madness has only been going on for 10 years max right (at a guess? Or would you say since 2007?) Anyway the way I see it is that as it is getting worse year-on-year (it's almost every day now that some fucking twat wants to ban something) and I am just thinking that everyone has a limit, and hopefully one day people will just stick two fingers up at these twats and peaceful civil disobedience will break out. That's what I'm hoping for anyway, these prohibitionists are never satisfied, they will always want more. Every one they get away with drives them on to the next and if they get away with this one it will be one of the biggest con jobs of all time.<br /><br /><br />Also this plain packaging one is a really depressing one because they are going against the weight of massive public opinion, that graph is from 665,000 people with 64% of them in opposition, it's pretty bad what they are doing but looking at this one they are really really taking the piss.<br /><br /><br />I despair at how bad it is getting.Tonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-68576405078021717132014-04-03T21:18:49.567+01:002014-04-03T21:18:49.567+01:00No problem, thought that might be the case!. Words...No problem, thought that might be the case!. Words can't really can't describe how this government has bent down prostrate before the tobacco control industry in swallowing the plain packet farce hook line and sinker. More of a brainwash than a whitewash!trashbunnynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-37791254401606660242014-04-03T21:01:45.615+01:002014-04-03T21:01:45.615+01:00Ta for the spot. They should have both said TCI. H...Ta for the spot. They should have both said TCI. He believed everything the TCI said then, when assessing what the sane were submitting, went back to TCI for help in dismissing it. Whitewash isn't the word.Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-29313203898724100592014-04-03T20:59:08.480+01:002014-04-03T20:59:08.480+01:00Great post Dick, was a bit confused though by your...Great post Dick, was a bit confused though by your paragraph beginning 'Chantlers methodology' is it me or have you got the tobacco industry and the tobacco control industry the wrong way round?trashbunnynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-42007021101699612642014-04-03T20:59:02.934+01:002014-04-03T20:59:02.934+01:00Missing 'control' "Chantler's me...Missing 'control' "Chantler's methodology throughout is to categorically believe everything the tobacco industry has ever published on the matter". 50s footballer (Sunderland and England) who's book "The Clown Prince" had that for the chapter on 'What the average football club director knows about football".SteveWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-40287941963100392162014-04-03T20:57:19.030+01:002014-04-03T20:57:19.030+01:00I tweeted this today. @Patsynurse @OHwinsAgain Mi...I tweeted this today. @Patsynurse @OHwinsAgain Ministers 4 Smoking @GillianMerron #lostelection @AnneMiltonMP and @anna_Soubrymp #sacked et tu @janeellisonmp ?DaveAtherton20noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-85802287779279176812014-04-03T20:38:17.507+01:002014-04-03T20:38:17.507+01:00Must have missed that. Link?Must have missed that. Link?Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-74287765356945814342014-04-03T20:32:53.570+01:002014-04-03T20:32:53.570+01:00I was expecting "This page left deliberately ...I was expecting "This page left deliberately blank at the request of the author. " a la Len Shackleton.SteveWnoreply@blogger.com