tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post4958438242539953160..comments2024-01-01T16:01:35.711+00:00Comments on Dick Puddlecote: Government Inquiry: Your Chance To Be Ignored On Alcohol GuidelinesDick Puddlecotehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-11846472771935282472011-07-25T17:44:31.184+01:002011-07-25T17:44:31.184+01:00"evidence" being that which conforms to ..."evidence" being that which conforms to the prejudices of those seeking it. If it does not, it is not "evidence" but opinion, undocumented, not peer-reviewed etc.Roger Thornhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03591327286533118901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-67053143372694540322011-07-25T10:51:01.333+01:002011-07-25T10:51:01.333+01:00The problem with all these guidelines is the growi...The problem with all these guidelines is the growing assumption that exceeding them even to a small degree is positively dangerous. 22 units a week will kill you, as will only having four a day.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-56553911467453726242011-07-23T20:49:13.523+01:002011-07-23T20:49:13.523+01:00Go ahead,
agree with Junican some people just cant...Go ahead,<br />agree with Junican some people just cant handle anything.<br />But I can personally state that<br />100+ units a week for 30+ years has had no discernible effect on me.<br />Got children and grandchildren and a thriving business.<br />These fucking idiots just focus on one thing to the exclusion of everything else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-13358041745332107972011-07-23T09:57:04.267+01:002011-07-23T09:57:04.267+01:00On a slightly related point.
I was once handed a ...On a slightly related point.<br /><br />I was once handed a survey about attitudes to alcohol consumption, on a commuter train leaving Lincoln at 7.05am iirc most people on that train look like they come from a group of people that are very sensible and quite sober people.<br /><br />I didn't keep the questionnaire unfortunately, nor did I fill it in. But I remember that it was impossible to express the view that alcohol consumption is anything other than a terrible problem, nor that it really wasn't governments job to control what people consumed.<br /><br />You could only express the degree of your concern (very to horrified) and the amount of intervention required (lots to total).<br /><br />If this is how consultations and gathering public opinion work, we really should not pay it any heed.thelincolnimpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-298285759152542092011-07-23T05:24:14.760+01:002011-07-23T05:24:14.760+01:00I am really am not the type of stakeholder they wo...I am really am not the type of stakeholder they would admit.<br /><br />Ny answers may not fit in with the finding of the reportMarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-54056707400899686602011-07-22T22:41:28.578+01:002011-07-22T22:41:28.578+01:00They make it seem as though people don't like ...They make it seem as though people don't like cancer.<br /><br />I like it a hell of a lot more than Alzheimer's, or soiling my bed, immobile in a hospice.<br /><br />I'd like to see double-blind research done, featuring some of our favourite people. In the interests of science, of course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-25805275250631431112011-07-22T20:10:30.582+01:002011-07-22T20:10:30.582+01:00Be interesting to see how Lansley handle it now th...Be interesting to see how Lansley handle it now the boot's on the other foot - I don't expect too much but will respond anyway.<br /><br />You never know, I've managed to get an admission from the BBC before that they simply don'y have people who understand statistics.<br />Still waiting on my FOI request for dealings between the beeb and ASH, again, we'll see.SteveWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-49682378422333054072011-07-22T20:03:52.387+01:002011-07-22T20:03:52.387+01:00The more I read about these studies, the more conv...The more I read about these studies, the more convinced I am that those who suffer harm from 'moderate' anything do so because their bodies are, in some way, differently constructed. Thus, there may well be a small minority of people who are particularly susceptible to harm from small amounts of alcohol.I suppose that you could say that all these studies are merely showing that there is no such thing as a 'standard' human being.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-70609616323969894832011-07-22T16:05:32.996+01:002011-07-22T16:05:32.996+01:00Again, it's like the constant anti-smoking war...Again, it's like the constant anti-smoking warnings: people know that it's harmful and have done for decades. There's no need to continue browbeating everyone.<br /><br />I was someone who initially supported the ban. Then I rapidly realised what it meant.Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-31454229542812356172011-07-22T15:31:39.403+01:002011-07-22T15:31:39.403+01:00Paul
Glad to hear it.
I really don't want to...Paul<br /><br />Glad to hear it.<br /><br />I really don't want to flame the Christmas pudding using a bottle of brandy with a picture of a rotting liver plastered over it, or buy a bag of real rum truffles complete with a warning message from Alcohol Concern.<br /><br />RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-51999788653995688852011-07-22T15:01:30.603+01:002011-07-22T15:01:30.603+01:00Rose: The teetotal part isn't an issue, it...<b>Rose</b>: The teetotal part isn't an issue, it's more the control-freak part of it. In the same way that one can be non-smoking but pro-choice.Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-34910270656278915222011-07-22T14:57:19.357+01:002011-07-22T14:57:19.357+01:00They've already had a go at me.
Deborah Arnot...They've already had a go at me.<br /><br />Deborah Arnott called it "splitting the opposition".<br /><br /><br />Teetotallers are the 'new pariahs' - Health Secretary warns on Britain's drink habit - 2009<br /><br />"Teetotallers should be celebrated instead of shunned as pariahs, the Health Secretary will say today.<br />"Instead, Mr Johnson will demand a wider, fundamental shift in attitudes to alcohol. In a speech to the Royal Society of Arts, he will liken the 'disdain' with which nondrinkers are treated to that of non- smokers in previous decades" ??<br /><br />"Mr Johnson believes teetotallers should be ' celebrated' rather than scorned, in the same way that people who have given up smoking are." <br />Daily Mail<br /><br /><br />Government 'fixing health consultations' with taxpayer-funded groups<br /><br />"The Government also published responses to a consultation on alcohol consumption earlier this month, in advance of a Policing and Crime Bill currently passing through Parliament, which proposes giving the Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith, sweeping powers to control licensing in pubs and clubs.<br /><br />The consultation attracted 2,336 responses. Almost 2,000 of these came either from a survey by Alcohol Concern, a charity which last year was given almost £400,000 by the Department for Health and raised nothing through fundraising, or postcards distributed by the Department itself, which posed the question: "Fed up with alcohol problems where you live?"<br /><br />Andrew Lansley, the shadow health secretary, said the disclosures summed up Labour's "cavalier" approach to consulting the public.<br /><br />Mr Lansley said: "It will come as no surprise to us if the Department of Health has funded organisations that provide the responses to consultations that the Government is looking for"<br />Telegraph.<br /><br />RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-21528377606947915802011-07-22T14:46:57.847+01:002011-07-22T14:46:57.847+01:00Paul
This Teetotal Uncontrollable Freak has been ...Paul<br /><br />This Teetotal Uncontrollable Freak has been keeping watch.<br /><br />"Hazardous to whom?"<br /><br />Well apart from the "Passive Drinking" aspect from the RCP and Liam Donaldson.<br /><br />You.<br /><br />Single pint of beer a day ‘poses liver and bowel cancer risk’- 2008<br /><br />"Drinking only one pint of beer a day increases the risk of liver and bowel cancer by a fifth, a health expert warned yesterday. A large glass of wine or a couple of spirits can have the same damaging effect, she said."<br /><br />Rachel Thompson, science programme manager for the World Cancer Research Fund, warned that just two units of alcohol a day increased the risk of bowel cancer by 18 per cent and that of liver cancer by a fifth. More than 36,500 people have bowel cancer diagnosed every year and about 16,000 die from it. Liver cancer claims the lives of more than 3,000 people annually."<br />Times <br /><br />And why?<br /><br />Drinking just one glass of wine a day can INCREASE risk of cancer by 168%, finds shock new study - 2009<br /><br />"Drinking even a single glass of wine a day can increase the risk of cancer by 168 per cent, a shocking new French study has found.<br />Researchers in Paris have destroyed the myth that drinking moderate amounts of red wine can be good for the health.<br />Instead, experts at the country's National Cancer Institute have warned that even repeated small doses of alcohol can massively increase the risk of getting cancer" <br /><br />The INCA study warned: 'The consumption of alcohol is associated with an increase in the risk of cancers - mouth, larynx, oesophagus, colon-rectum, and breast cancer.<br /><br />'The cause is above all the transformation of ethanol in alcohol to acetaldehyde, which damages DNA in healthy cells.'<br /><br />This is particularly likely to happen if alcohol is introduced into the body daily - even in small measures, it added."<br />DailyMail<br /><br />Not that I believe a word of it, you having an immune system and all.<br /><br /><br />RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-41439307903700300702011-07-22T14:02:56.637+01:002011-07-22T14:02:56.637+01:00Never mind all that.
0) What business is it of th...Never mind all that.<br /><br />0) What business is it of the government's to be issuing guidelines on such things? End of inquiry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-3237340039050261102011-07-22T13:09:17.903+01:002011-07-22T13:09:17.903+01:00So slightly over one pint a day of a beer at regul...So slightly over one pint a day of a beer at regular real ale strength (4.1%) is enough to make you a hazardous drinker? Madness. Hazardous to whom? Most drinkers would have to have a lot more than that before they became a hazard, and that would be themselves.<br /><br />Teetotal control freaks must be drawing up this limit because I don't know anyone who takes these limits seriously, even though they say they do. Generally regular drinkers have at least double this amount I'd have thought?<br /><br />After that, it'll all be down to what they'll do to 'hazardous' drinkers to stop them being a 'hazard', won't it?Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-88808998509982126062011-07-22T12:53:41.948+01:002011-07-22T12:53:41.948+01:00Presumably only stakeholders[1] will actually be c...Presumably only stakeholders[1] will actually be consulted/listened to. Needless to say, I suppose, but these things aren't information gathering excersises. The purpose is to apparently prove the overwhelming support for what they intend to do.<br /><br />[1] Corporate groups on the official "people we listen to" list.Ian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15436369802742523036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-5991308692632331282011-07-22T12:40:25.065+01:002011-07-22T12:40:25.065+01:00It is worth a go. Why not keep a reminder on your ...It is worth a go. Why not keep a reminder on your blog page?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-34730204207749315832011-07-22T11:57:36.630+01:002011-07-22T11:57:36.630+01:00Whilst fundamentally I agree with Wayne....I would...Whilst fundamentally I agree with Wayne....I would urge you to go ahead anyway.Jack Savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09080676066827852249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-53508735945065025962011-07-22T11:48:25.618+01:002011-07-22T11:48:25.618+01:00I've got some answers.....
1) Who's arsed?...I've got some answers.....<br />1) Who's arsed?<br />2) Who's arsed?<br />3) Who's arsed?<br />4) Who's arsed?<br /><br />Right I'm off for a good old fashioned binge drink!waynenoreply@blogger.com