tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post5862534500148370266..comments2024-01-01T16:01:35.711+00:00Comments on Dick Puddlecote: Plain Packs Will Make Warnings More Visible ... So What?Dick Puddlecotehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-28085880271202018692012-05-05T19:33:13.430+01:002012-05-05T19:33:13.430+01:00Excellent analysis/summary of the "research&q...Excellent analysis/summary of the "research" Dick! And I think the point made by "smoker" and your response to it are right on the money too. As we heard in the interview the other day with the ASHite on the radio they are obsessed with this idea of tobacco being "unique" and the picture warnings simply help to reinforce that. The "uniqueness" then encourages the stigmatization and denormalization that they desire. Without that S & D they wouldn't be able to implement the further stages of their program in more oppressive taxation, medical and job discrimination, family and home interventions and control, and beyond.<br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttp://www.facebook.com/michael.j.mcfadden1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-74264301237006635602012-05-04T20:49:17.223+01:002012-05-04T20:49:17.223+01:00I don't look at them because of the possible &...I don't look at them because of the possible 'nocebo' effect - opposite of placebo.I do wonder whether they may actually worry people into developing disease or may trigger any potential for depression, which itself may open the way to physical illness - all of which is contrary to the Hippocratic oath in my view. However, as a survivor of radical prostatectomy I am amused by the graphic warnings on pipe tobacco packets of danger to my baby, wrinkling of my skin and impotence. Hey ho. These people have spoiled my old age, especially as they have sabotaged pubs. But, as my wife points out, our declining years are greatly more comfortable than those of our ancestors, as any examination of workhouse records will show. But I would love to live to see these killjoys routed and, especially, our traditional pubs restored to vibrant life. llewetonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-51084115133901433762012-05-04T17:47:11.266+01:002012-05-04T17:47:11.266+01:00
Lyn,
I think that we have mentioned this befor... <br /> Lyn,<br /><br />I think that we have mentioned this before. I buy fags from Majorca which have the pictures on. I no longer even notice that they are there - I merely open the packet as usual. That is why I feel no need for a cig case or anything of that nature. As far as I am concerned, the pictures don't exist.<br /> junican41noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-40874951941742720142012-05-04T14:43:11.407+01:002012-05-04T14:43:11.407+01:00Makes perfect sense to me, Bucko. It was once said...Makes perfect sense to me, Bucko. It was once said by a medical type that, by blaming so many cancers on secondhand smoke, anti-smokers were diverting attention away from what is <i>really</i> the cause of many of them, killing thousands in the process.<br /><br />It's certainly true that their stance on snus, for example, is arguably responsible for hundreds of thousands of early deaths (by their own way of measuring these things). Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-36543774169135846552012-05-04T14:39:51.369+01:002012-05-04T14:39:51.369+01:00I'm sure that is a covert benefit to anti-smok...I'm sure that is a covert benefit to anti-smokers, not that they'll ever admit it. Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-88264234875225181612012-05-04T13:28:49.736+01:002012-05-04T13:28:49.736+01:00If the decline in smoking stalled at the time when...If the decline in smoking stalled at the time when picture health warnings were introduced, that means the pictures actually <i>increased</i> smoking by the amount which it would have continued to decline without the pictures.<br /><br />Does that make any sense?Bucko TheMoosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-75435126924288001562012-05-04T12:34:33.305+01:002012-05-04T12:34:33.305+01:00Quite brilliant piece of work.Quite brilliant piece of work.JonathanBagleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-43022855334603473712012-05-04T11:31:03.446+01:002012-05-04T11:31:03.446+01:00Absolutely, Mr A.
In our small town and an outlyi...Absolutely, Mr A.<br /><br />In our small town and an outlying local village there have been 2 young teenagers in the last couple of months, aged 14 and 15, I believe, one of whom dropped dead on the football pitch and the other who died shortly after getting home from playing football.<br /><br />This was only, as far as I am aware, reported in our local press.<br /><br />Perhaps football and other sports should be banned? It seems to me they are more harmful to the young, in particular, than smoking is! After all, youngsters who start smoking don't tend to drop dead for a good many years and some even make it into retirement and their dotage!Lyn Laddsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-15280549331027893752012-05-04T10:44:32.020+01:002012-05-04T10:44:32.020+01:00@ Lyn. Admittedly it could just be enhanced repor...@ Lyn. Admittedly it could just be enhanced reporting altering perception, but I do find it odd how many young people have been drooping dead of cardiac arrests lately - not only young but "fit." There was Muamba obviously (who survived), that Italian footballer, the 30 year old runner at the London Marathon, some Olympic hopeful a few days ago (a swimmer) and a 12 year old kid who dies during P.E. <br /><br />As I say, this could just be focussed reporting and/or congenital heart defects. Initially I thought it could be due to steroid use. But a 12 year old kid? Very strange...Mr Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-53968498644892395572012-05-04T09:34:25.339+01:002012-05-04T09:34:25.339+01:00Should have finished off by saying, therefore, no ...Should have finished off by saying, therefore, no matter what the likes of corrupt bodies like ASH, the BMA, BHF, CRUK or government do or say, when so many people have this view on life and death, their stupid and costly (mostly to us, the taxpayer) ideas will achieve extremely little, if anything at all!Lyn Laddsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-37040721004835462122012-05-04T09:33:09.836+01:002012-05-04T09:33:09.836+01:00Have said before and will say again, human nature ...Have said before and will say again, human nature being what it is, the more you 'see' something the less you see! Does any smoker, or even non smoker, for that matter, even see the warnings or the pictures any more? I doubt it.<br /><br />Then there is the other issue about life. My daughter, a non smoker, saw a 19 year old colleague walk out of work at the end of her shift the other week. She walked to the bus stop and dropped dead! Extremely sad and there were no signs that there was anything wrong with her.<br /><br />As a result of this, my daughter who is 30 next month has radically changed her view on life and now has decided to live for the day as it could just as easily be her who (God forbids) drops dead tomorrow. Her final comment to me after she had told me about this tragedy was why worry, if you enjoy something you may as well have ir/do it because in the end it is extremely doubtful it will make any difference, when your number is up, it's up no matter what you do.<br /><br />Anyone else think like this? I know I do.Lyn Laddsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-6027766623570779332012-05-04T08:57:01.134+01:002012-05-04T08:57:01.134+01:00Para 11 of the Plain Packaging consultation -"...Para 11 of the Plain Packaging consultation -"Health warnings have high reach and frequency of exposure among smokers, a 20 pack a day smoker potentially being exposed to these warnings over 7000 times per year."<br />Ffs. isn't that enough? <br />Rearrange the words - contempt familiarity & breeds.<br />You suggest "the EU anticipate that increasing their size will multiply nothing by nothing;" but surely they are multiplying a negative effect by a positive and there will be increased contempt for their actions.ChrisBronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-20316218789028959132012-05-04T08:55:31.855+01:002012-05-04T08:55:31.855+01:00Death cigarettes used your ultimate demise by thei...Death cigarettes used your ultimate demise by their use in their marketing to sell the product. That made the compulsory gov health warnings on them look pathetic. Smoking Hothttp://twitter.com/N2Declarenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-73690843046006437402012-05-04T08:50:43.149+01:002012-05-04T08:50:43.149+01:00...al evidence points to the fact that the 'wa......al evidence points to the fact that the 'warnings' are there to stigmatize us. Non-smokers - who see the warnings as well - are to be converted into anti-smokers.smokernoreply@blogger.com