tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post6679204144434128349..comments2024-01-01T16:01:35.711+00:00Comments on Dick Puddlecote: Tragic TuesdayDick Puddlecotehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-52611024245683322462013-10-08T12:43:02.639+01:002013-10-08T12:43:02.639+01:00This perfectly describes the pro smokes lobby fail...This perfectly describes the pro smokes lobby failure to ordinary smokers, some of the lunatics claim smoking has never done anything, some say it does,activists like Dick puddlecote hide behind a fake name whilst the hokey cokey between the two.<br /><br />pro smoke lobbyists could never get an agreement where they stand on smoking issues, despite claiming to be united on issues<br /><br />World opinion is solid and united, the smoking lobby is a fucking muddle, with half the activists knowing the truth about smoking and half in complete denial.<br /><br />The result is silly causes like plain packs which everyone can agree on, or the octabber spite campaign, these causes change nothing and in no way hide the complete failure to promote an agreed view on smoking.<br /><br />Smoking kills.....it either cause massive harm or it does not, if the smoking lobby can't agree on which of these is true then Forest/pro smoke lobbyists will stay the niche lobby group that no-one has ever heard of.<br /><br />The situation at the moment is Simon clark and one or two other brave foot soldiers willing to be identified unlike coward puddlecote say smoking kills on television knowing full well the loonies who infest blogland think nothing of the sort.<br /><br />What a fucking mess and its all your own fault.<br /><br />RickieRichienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-252806824315033082013-10-08T10:30:35.207+01:002013-10-08T10:30:35.207+01:00David Cameron. Does anyone believe?David Cameron. Does anyone believe?SteveWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-25845778501983052222013-10-07T19:27:55.742+01:002013-10-07T19:27:55.742+01:00Perhaps you should read the McTear versus Imperial...Perhaps you should read the McTear versus Imperial Tobacco Case. There, Tobacco Control had ample opportunity to prove "on the balance of probability" that smoking causes lung cancer. It failed even to produce evidence, never mind convincing evidence. <br />You ought not to believe propaganda. It is bad for your mental health.Junicannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-55576123153850136762013-10-07T18:16:54.801+01:002013-10-07T18:16:54.801+01:00David Cameron . Does anyone believe he wants to be...David Cameron . Does anyone believe he wants to be out of Europe?<br /><br />http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2013/10/brian-monteith-the-government-wants-to-stem-the-flow-of-powers-to-europe-so-whats-it-doing-with-these-smoking-laws.htmlshelldonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-45338026396684803032013-10-07T17:10:01.232+01:002013-10-07T17:10:01.232+01:00Dicky,,While you act like a coward and remain anon...Dicky,,While you act like a coward and remain anonymous because you don't want friends, family and colleauges/customers to know about your smoking views your credibilty gets shot to pieces.<br /><br />YES YOU BEING A COWARD FOR YEARS DOES NOT GO UNOTICED BY ANYONE.<br /><br />I love the bit about "massive harm reduction" for E-cigs, and you have the fucking stupidity to say smoking advice has nothing to do with health.<br /><br />What would the smoking bloghost loons think about "massive harm reduction" and smoking cigs?, you let the truth slip out there dicky lad,.<br /><br />E-cigs should not be banned , but massive harm reduction which public health goes after with smoking issues should continue and be applauded.<br /><br />It gets a bit confusing for the smokerloonies when they try and defend E-cigs but at the same time claim smoking kills is all lies....lmao.<br /><br />Richie.Richienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-67088703351260312462013-10-07T16:57:56.588+01:002013-10-07T16:57:56.588+01:00Another thought.
What will be the status of devi...Another thought.<br /><br /><br />What will be the status of devices people already own? Will they be able to get spare parts?westcoast2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-63325979115055740802013-10-07T16:48:36.668+01:002013-10-07T16:48:36.668+01:00What if what they sell contains zero nic? Do thes...What if what they sell contains zero nic? Do these need a MA? Is a drip tip a 'medicinal product' after the TCD? A battery?<br /><br /><br />In the days of illegal CB you could buy a CB radio as long as it did not transmit on certain frequencies. The addition of a crystal transformed the legal radio into an illegal one capable of transmission. It was all in the definitions. So, some people legally sold CB radios without crystals and then separately legally sold the crystals. Some people then put the two together.<br /><br /><br />How are they defining an 'e-cigarette'?westcoast2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-78561161292174037562013-10-07T16:48:28.557+01:002013-10-07T16:48:28.557+01:00Some good-ish news to relate. Soubrey has been ...Some good-ish news to relate. Soubrey has been 'reshuffled' out of Health and into the MoD.<br /><br /><br />God help the Armed Forces!brianb007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-13081714882199540172013-10-07T11:54:11.884+01:002013-10-07T11:54:11.884+01:00In terms of medical regulation, I thought this mig...In terms of medical regulation, I thought this might be interesting (I received notification on September 3rd):<br /><br />"...Totally Wicked has obtained written confirmation from the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) that none of its current product range is a medicine or a medicinal device, and that it does not need to obtain medicines marketing authorisations for its products. Notwithstanding that, the MHRA has stated that if MEPs vote for the EU's draft Tobacco Products Directive (TPD) in its current form on the 10th of September, it will require Totally Wicked from 2016 to market the same products as medicines and obtain such authorisations. In other words, it would have to seek medicines licences for products the MHRA has confirmed are not medicines. This is the clearest statement yet that currently available e-cigarette products will be banned from 2016 if the TPD passes into law.<br /><br />Asking for clarity on the intentions of the MHRA, as stated by them on the 12th of June 2013 to regulate ‘nicotine containing products’ in line with the proposed EU TPD, Totally Wicked’s lawyers this week received a reply to a litigation letter of claim.<br /><br />Confident of the fact that its products are not medicinal, Totally Wicked has been proven right and the MHRA has confirmed that currently, under the Human Medicine Regulation 2012, and the Medicinal Products Directive 2001/83/EC, none of the products sold by Totally Wicked as of the 22nd of August 2013 are considered medicinal, nor are they considered medical devices under the Medical Devices Directive 1993 (Directive 93/42/EEC).<br /><br />As a result of this confirmation, Totally Wicked is not required to seek marketing authorisations or any other form of license for its products. However, in their reply, the MHRA stated that if the draft TPD passes into law in its current form, Totally Wicked, in order to legally sell its current product range, would be required to seek marketing authorisation from the MHRA under the Medicinal Products Directive.<br /><br />Having established that none of Totally Wicked’s product range qualifies as a medicinal product, it would be impossible for Totally Wicked to obtain authorisations and as a result it would be prohibited in law from selling any of its existing products.<br /><br />As Totally Wicked’s product range is broadly similar to that distributed by other electronic cigarette vendors in the UK, the logical conclusion to draw from the above is that if the draft TPD passes as proposed, there will be a shutdown of the general sale of currently available electronic cigarette products from 2016 throughout the UK.<br /><br />Perversely, the MHRA also confirmed in its reply, that it accepted that conventional tobacco cigarettes are “capable” of being regulated as medicinal products, but that it does not intend to include these nicotine containing products within the proposed new regime..."<br /><br />Which all seems perfectly above board and reasonable...SteveWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-45805058303066384782013-10-07T09:42:47.374+01:002013-10-07T09:42:47.374+01:00I've been considering writing a further letter...I've been considering writing a further letter about how by managing to quit with e-cigs my wife lost her smoker's cough, which would have been agonising after the operation she had. But I just know that politicians only want my vote, not my opinion.nealashernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-54027408762642348352013-10-06T23:48:26.679+01:002013-10-06T23:48:26.679+01:00".......that 'public health' is a fin...".......that 'public health' is a financially & morally corrupt enterprise."<br /><br />That is the important thing. It would not surprise me one bit if the ecig element of the directive is a huge distraction. The 'morally (and financially) corrupt' charlatans <i>want</i> everyone to go on about ecigs to distract attention from the rest of the directive. Even if the ecig element were dropped, there would still remain all the rest of the 'new, improved' determinations to restrict choice and reduce competition, and to hand more and more power to prohibitionist of all sorts. <br />The business of ecigs in the directive is a skirmish which does not really matter to Tobacco Control, although it pretends that it matter. What is more important to them is to win the battle, which will introduce plain packaging. But what we ought to concern ourselves with is winning the war. The war is about FREE CHOICE; it is about freedom from totalitarianism and fascism; it is about the freedom of adults to please themselves and live as they wish; it is about ending the grip of propaganda and lies, especially as regards Health. <br />The correct attitude is to oppose the directive in its entirety.Junicannoreply@blogger.com