tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post8332678716036072136..comments2024-01-01T16:01:35.711+00:00Comments on Dick Puddlecote: Ironic Epilogue To Nick Hogan JailingDick Puddlecotehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-84738500363252312472010-04-01T21:07:00.873+01:002010-04-01T21:07:00.873+01:00"Most run tied houses. The Government would h...<em>"Most run tied houses. The Government would have got the pubcos by the balls and forced them to comply"</em><br /><br />Rumour has it that the government did exactly that with reference to competition legislation surrounding the beer tie. <br /><br />I may write something about it one day. ;-)Dick Puddlecotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-70761117933858018522010-03-28T18:52:40.127+01:002010-03-28T18:52:40.127+01:00"If the publicans had organised themselves an..."If the publicans had organised themselves and refused to comply with the rules what would have happened?"<br /><br />Most run tied houses. The Government would have got the pubcos by the balls and forced them to comply.<br /><br />Anyway, the Government wouldn't be that bothered that they couldn't process all the prosecutions. They'd happily prosecute 10%. They'd have happy show trials of the Hate Group every day of the week for months. They would be in heaven.Robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-87697030992548039352010-03-28T03:10:52.297+01:002010-03-28T03:10:52.297+01:00Anon/Dun fighting makes a valid point.
If the pub...Anon/Dun fighting makes a valid point.<br /><br />If the publicans had organised themselves and refused to comply with the rules what would have happened? The courts wouldn't have been able to deal with all the cases and they'd probably have won the right to choose to be 'smoke free' or not. Instead they rolled over, spent money on a gazebo or two - and watched their sales plummet because who on earth wants to stand outside in a blizzard or be verbally abused by oiks who want smoke-free beer gardens for their kiddies to play in while they sip their glass of low alcohol wine.<br /><br />And now the publicans are squealing because their beer is threatened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-38035468036834126052010-03-27T21:48:49.663+00:002010-03-27T21:48:49.663+00:00It would be easy to pin all the blame for the smok...It would be easy to pin all the blame for the smoking ban on the<br />usual culprits,ASH,CRUK,LABOUR,<br />HEWITT ETC.The vote in the Commons was followed by 18 months before<br />implementation. What did 60,000<br />landlords and 20,000 restaurant owners do in that period ,ZILCH.<br />what have they done since,with a very few exceptions, ZILCH.<br />How many have written to an MP,<br />to a newspaper,to their trade body.<br />How many have joined a campaign,<br />run a petition,organised a meeting,<br />attended a protest meeting ,10,20<br />30 maximum.<br />They have sat back and awaited closure or scavenged custom from<br />nearby closure or subsidies from<br />PubCo's or loans from tax payer <br />supported Banks. In simple terms<br />let us firmly put the blame where it really belongs,the publicans.<br />If this group had one hundredth <br />part of the courage shown by the retired Ghurkhas in their pension battle the ban would have collapsed in weeeks.<br />What are they waiting for ,untill we have just one Wetherspoons <br />Bistroteque in each town.<br /><br />Dun FightingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-88858787845575931512010-03-27T21:40:42.950+00:002010-03-27T21:40:42.950+00:00I met Nick Hogan outside the UKIP Spring thingy (w...I met Nick Hogan outside the UKIP Spring thingy (where all the smokers were congregating). I couldn't think of anything to say on the spur of the monent apart from "It's an honour to meet you, sir" and he was quite taken aback by it.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-24540081678578926822010-03-27T21:11:01.630+00:002010-03-27T21:11:01.630+00:00None of these "freedom fighters" out the...None of these "freedom fighters" out there who are also closet or outright in-your-face smoke-haters are going to win their causes against the AGW Fraud, carbon taxes, excesses of MPS and EU, the whole 9 yards - because the seed at the root is the SHS Fraud. And once allegiance of false-belief which soothes the passion of a jaundiced prejudice is pledged to the first and preliminary fraud, leading to liberty taking, leading to abolishment of private property rights, leading to the relinquishment of a basic right to choose how to do with one's own body, then the rest that comes after it is unstoppable - because of the seed at the root which grew the tree.<br /><br />There will be no way for people to reclaim their lost freedoms without overturning in their minds the false beliefs originating from the SHS Fraud - no way at all.<br /><br />That is why this whole loss of freedom worldwide, the people made subservient to a worldly dictatorship is almost laughable - to hear the ones ignoring the SHS Fraud rant on about these other issues, without giving even a nod of acknowledgement to what was the seed root from which the others grew.<br /><br />Sir Richard Doll was the first of many tools useful in creating the Nanny/Bully State that UK, EU and soon most of US have and will continue becoming.<br /><br />The band is playing, but nobody is hearing it, willfully, because the prejudice is being soothed - and that is exactly why it was planned to happen that way, by those higher up who coordinated to create this mess everyone finds themselves in.<br /><br />Bullsh*t is bullsh*t and once you've bought into some, the rest is just an easier sale and one can't back out, not after subscribing to the first.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-45384959732914229472010-03-27T19:52:01.278+00:002010-03-27T19:52:01.278+00:00I did a bit of investigating of Robert West last y...I did a bit of investigating of <a href="http://frank-davis.livejournal.com/8290.html" rel="nofollow">Robert West</a> last year.Frank Davishttp://frank-davis.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-44979327368495574742010-03-27T19:44:11.786+00:002010-03-27T19:44:11.786+00:00See also Fictional and Real DeathsSee also <a href="http://freedom2choose.info/art1.php?id=88" rel="nofollow">Fictional and Real Deaths</a>Frank Davishttp://frank-davis.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-85374137231501064292010-03-27T19:35:58.682+00:002010-03-27T19:35:58.682+00:00Ali: I think Jock was pointing out that Doll, desp...Ali: I think Jock was pointing out that Doll, despite proving the link between primary smoking and cancer, was entirely dismissive of the danger of SHS. <br /><br />And, as Jock says, he should know. Yet he was misquoted. <br /><br />The lies of anti-smokers are becoming <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/7530949/Fiddling-those-smoking-figures-again.html" rel="nofollow">more and more evident to just about everyone</a>. Time government started to curtail their excesses.Dick Puddlecotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-766775906948281582010-03-27T17:50:03.192+00:002010-03-27T17:50:03.192+00:00"And if anyone should know, the man who helpe..."And if anyone should know, the man who helped Richard Doll prove the link probably stands a fair chance."<br /><br />Richard Doll got paid very well by polluting industries to 'prove' all sorts of things, which I think somewhat discredits his findings on tobacco.<br /><br />He did a great job covering up for the asbestos and petro-chemical industries - tobacco has always been a convenient scapegoat to heap soaring lung cancer statistics on.alinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-38640924324465701012010-03-27T17:42:25.420+00:002010-03-27T17:42:25.420+00:00And these are the ones who push the smoking bans.
...And these are the ones who push the smoking bans.<br /><br /> VESTED INTERESTS?<br /><br />Competing interests of UK Centre for Tobacco Control Studies (UKCTCS) staff.<br /><br />John Britton chairs the Royal College of Physicians Tobacco Advisory Group and is a member of the board of trustees of Action on Smoking and Health<br /><br />Peter Hajek undertakes consultancy for and has received research funds from a number of companies developing and manufacturing smoking cessation products.<br /><br />Paul Aveyard has accepted hospitality from the pharmaceutical industry. He has done consultancy and research work in smoking cessation for Pfizer, McNeil, and Xenova Biotechnology that has led to payments to him and his research account. <br /><br />Linda Bauld is vice-chair of the Cancer Research UK Tobacco Advisory Group and serves as Scientific Adviser to the Department of Health on tobacco control.<br /><br />Tim Coleman has, within the last 5 years, done occasional consultancy work for companies that manufacture NRT products (Johnson and Johnson, Pierre Fabre Laboratories). He has also advised a Public Relations company on the strength of the evidence for using Nicobloc as an aid for smoking cessation.<br /><br />Robert West undertakes research and consultancy for companies that develop and manufacture smoking cessation medications. He has a share of a patent for a novel nicotine delivery device. He is a trustee of QUIT. His research is funded mostly by Cancer Research UK.<br /><br /><br />http://www.ukctcs.org/ukctcs/competing_interests.phpEddie Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-9210237082172532692010-03-27T17:29:38.489+00:002010-03-27T17:29:38.489+00:00On nobody killed by second hand smoke - well, they...On nobody killed by second hand smoke - well, they were told that by a man who should know. I always remember them quoting Sir Richard Peto as advocating the ban, when in fact what he said was that it might save the lives of up to half a million people if, as a result of the ban, they *gave up smoking*. And if anyone should know, the man who helped Richard Doll prove the link probably stands a fair chance.<br /><br />There again, for a government who sacks its own advisers when they say something not on-message I suppose merely to misquote an eminent epidemiologist probably let him off lightly.Jock Coatshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15550558005508328017noreply@blogger.com