tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post8533836284899827611..comments2024-01-01T16:01:35.711+00:00Comments on Dick Puddlecote: Sod Basic Economics When There's A Public To MisleadDick Puddlecotehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-67662343885312454792012-10-27T03:56:51.922+01:002012-10-27T03:56:51.922+01:00All the old Livejournal stuff is now in the Wordpr...All the old Livejournal stuff is now in the Wordpress blog. It didn't get the comments to carry over, unfortunately.Legironnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-40721046994462938832012-10-26T14:33:53.248+01:002012-10-26T14:33:53.248+01:00I'm presuming they are quarterly figures as th...I'm presuming they are quarterly figures as they mention "in the last 12 months". So illicit must have started flying once Osborne announced the 50p hike in 2011 budget.<br /><br /><br />ASH and CRUK quote 9% which is the mid range of <i>just</i> smuggled, but with cross border too, it was 12%. Either way, the figures are on a sharp upward trajectory.Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-22909902614427117122012-10-26T13:37:26.320+01:002012-10-26T13:37:26.320+01:00Dick, are all these figures from the same source? ...Dick, are all these figures from the same source? Are they for all tobacco or just cigarettes. Do they all include counterfeit and smuggled? The Sun gives an increase from 13.8 to 16.4, presumably 2010/11 to 2011/12. CRUK gives 9.0 for 2010/2011.JonathanBagleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-21278867851654057452012-10-26T09:56:11.810+01:002012-10-26T09:56:11.810+01:00I well remember the autoriders of sanity, it was o...I well remember the autoriders of sanity, it was one of your best early pieces. You should dredge it up and republish sometime. :)Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-73523439613156609322012-10-26T02:27:06.063+01:002012-10-26T02:27:06.063+01:00autoridadessanitarias - the Autoriders of Sanity. ...autoridadessanitarias - the Autoriders of Sanity. I wrote of them once, long ago.<br /><br /><br />This message from them means 'It is prohibited to vent a madras through 18 anuses' and that's important advice.Legironnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-24456485626684038152012-10-26T00:43:57.877+01:002012-10-26T00:43:57.877+01:00Nice to know that CRUK fund a Tobacco Policy Manag...Nice to know that CRUK fund a Tobacco Policy Manager. Is that as well as a Jean King who the last time I looked was Tobacco Control Director and Deborah Arnott? That represents quite a lot of dosh diverted from cancer research to people who clearly have issues with truth and reality.ivandenisovichnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-91402435777395089212012-10-25T22:21:26.447+01:002012-10-25T22:21:26.447+01:00Prohibida su venta a menores de 18 anos.
Las autor...Prohibida su venta a menores de 18 anos.<br />Las autoridadessanitarias advierten.<br />Written on a tobacco pouch.<br /><br />Or to us tax saving Brits.<br /><br /><br />Guantanamera<br />Guajira Guantanamera<br />Guantanamera<br />Guajira Guantanamera<br /><br /><br />Or<br /> <br />Vive la révolution!<br /><br /><br />Or as we say in good 'ole blighty.<br /><br /><br />Shove your tax up your arse.c777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-61411263892383759742012-10-25T19:55:58.508+01:002012-10-25T19:55:58.508+01:00What they seem to be trying to do is wean HMG off ...What they seem to be trying to do is wean HMG off the revenue from tobacco taxes. They (TCI) may well continue to call for increases in tax. The side effect is the increase in illicit use. <br /><br /><br />They may continue to mix-up counterfeit and legal to give the impression that the cross border trade is just in illegal cigarettes. The way to stop the counterfeiters is to stop cross border trade. <br /><br /><br />They may say this would only affect a small minority of users and save HMG billions. They may also say that avoiding UK tax (hot topic) is not 'fair'. Of course this is all hogwash. <br />The economic issues involved are not supply & demand but control.The health issues involved are not keep fit but control.west2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-45812426012952859392012-10-25T19:26:36.371+01:002012-10-25T19:26:36.371+01:00Agreed, it is an incredible failures by our idioti...Agreed, it is an incredible failures by our idiotic government. But those HMRC figures are estimates, and when you read the actual doc (I think it I blogged it once, or I meant to), then you learn that a) they really have no idea how much licit and illicit tobacco products are in the country, and b) the high-end estimate of HRT is 65%. Truth is, it could be even higher -- nobody really knows the extent of it.<br /><br />All of this is why the WHO, ASH, CRUK, and the APPG are demanding an end to cross-border shopping for tobacco products in Europe. Furthermore, they truly do want to see the illicit trade increase so they can lobby for those restrictions on cross-border shoppers. Once fags are done for, they will move on to booze. <br /><br />By the way, I note that Ailsa Rutter, the little prohibitionist firecracker, re-tweeted a thing about minimum pricing from Balance NE today, along with other TCI people like Kate (Knight?) Andy Lloyd: https://twitter.com/BalanceNE/status/261398788449652736Jayhttp://nannyingtyrants.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-73611168605161284052012-10-25T19:15:01.229+01:002012-10-25T19:15:01.229+01:00Interesting you should say that. The HMRC figures ...Interesting you should say that. The HMRC figures ASH and CRUK refer to state that smuggled hand-rolling was 38% in 2010/11, and 45% overall if you include cross-border shopping. <br /><br /><br />Taking last two budgets into account, it's probable that non-duty paid (in the UK anyway) hand-rolling tobacco now accounts for over 50% of all in the country. That's an incredible failure of government if there is more baccy in circulation which hasn't benefited the treasury than baccy that has.Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-12607366798313926782012-10-25T19:04:04.308+01:002012-10-25T19:04:04.308+01:00I would like to add that the rate of duty on hand-...I would like to add that the rate of duty on hand-rolling tobacco as increased enormously these past two years, far greater than machine-made cigs, no thanks to ASH and CRUK campaigning for it.<br /><br />Two years ago, we paid roughly £12 per 50g pouch of Golden Virginia (and mind, in 2005 it was around £8 or a little less than that). Now, the cheapest we see is about £16.50, with some places selling for a pound more than that. <br /><br />Of course, we've stopped buying UK duty products out of necessity and anger.Jayhttp://nannyingtyrants.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.com