tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post9184849767208965916..comments2024-01-01T16:01:35.711+00:00Comments on Dick Puddlecote: New Orleans Casino Loses Millions To The Surprise Of NobodyDick Puddlecotehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-26959704653321632712015-06-15T20:50:00.943+01:002015-06-15T20:50:00.943+01:00Yes, I've read about that particular trick bef...Yes, I've read about that particular trick before. You described it well. :)<br /><br />https://twitter.com/Dick_Puddlecote/status/610511540073185280Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-66847529764163206022015-06-15T20:15:47.583+01:002015-06-15T20:15:47.583+01:00Chris, DP, Frank and a few others have produced ve...Chris, DP, Frank and a few others have produced very convincing evidence. Problem is, from a very low platform. Another problem is that the largely left wing MSM is the propaganda mouthpiece that has well and truly bought into the SHS shite. Free advertising for the antis no less. Any influential journalist with integrity could blow the whole corrupt house of cards over. Given the opportunity.....theprognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-27414050803941416942015-06-15T20:07:53.933+01:002015-06-15T20:07:53.933+01:00Chris Snowdon did some WONDERFUL research about fi...Chris Snowdon did some WONDERFUL research about five years ago and produced a table showing pub closures (or income?) vs. differing ban implementation dates for England, Wales, Scotland, and, I believe, N. Ireland. In virtually every case the problems trailed the bans by pretty much exactly the same amounts in the same patterns... totally independent of the raw date or any general economic downturn or cheap booze etc etc.<br /><br /><br />The excuses are lies, just like all their other lies.<br /><br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttp://bit.ly/TobakkoNachtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-83094642329846812952015-06-15T20:02:41.168+01:002015-06-15T20:02:41.168+01:00Bottom line is about bums on seats and profits. It...Bottom line is about bums on seats and profits. It's up to individual business or their associations to state the facts. They'll have more muscle to get the data into the public domain in the US. <br /><br /><br />Over here, virtually no one stood up for publicans before or after the ban. It was like shooting fish in a barrel for ASH and pals, supported by pubcos and scumbags CAMRA etc. And easier because every business was affected, so not much to make comparisons - if the ban had allowed exemptions and compromise, the cause of lost trade/businesses would have been crystal clear. The antis knew this and so pushed for 100% at the eleventh hour. <br /><br /><br />Of course, they blamed pub closures on the convenient economic downturn. We've seen worse, but pubs usually thrived when times were tough (e.g. the 70's).theprognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-44703267826013575862015-06-15T19:52:11.560+01:002015-06-15T19:52:11.560+01:00I've offered that "Put your money where y...I've offered that "Put your money where your mouth is and you'll have your ban passed in a flash." challenge to every ban fight I've seen in the last five+ years and never once had even a ghost of a response from any of the responsible parties. I'll usually wait a week or two and then add a note, apologizing for the possibility that the named parties may simply not read the news, and suggesting that anyone who knows them should point them to the post so they can respond and defend their integrity. Sometimes, particularly in the case of the pro-ban politicians, I'll hit the critters' own political site just to politely let them know that the public might be waiting to see their response over at so 'n so's board. And then, if I think of it, I'll stop back three months later to leave a final not pointing out that after all that effort... they STILL refused to defend their claim that the ban wouldn't hurt business: preferring to leave the lives and livelihoods of the people they've lied to hanging in the balance.<br /><br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttp://bit.ly/TobakkoNachtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-54934749374769156192015-06-15T19:02:11.789+01:002015-06-15T19:02:11.789+01:00Michael, Thanks for pointing out the inflation of ...Michael, Thanks for pointing out the inflation of casino goers by recounting the same smpkers coming in from their breaks over and over. And remember before the NOLA ban was enacted that the Louisiana State Police (who regulate the casinos) produced a study that projected losses in casino revenue from a ban (and also recounted losses to restaurants from the previous restaurant ban). Of course the Smokefree lobbyists rejected the study and said there would be no such result. Well now we see there is , as there has been in every location where smoking bans have been forced on businesses by the Antismokers.Vinny Gracchusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-36796010129769462162015-06-15T17:12:19.379+01:002015-06-15T17:12:19.379+01:00"Not that they'd ever publish any graph t..."Not that they'd ever publish any graph to show proven economic benefits of bans on businesses. Even they'd find that impossible."<br /><br /><br />Prog, give the fanatics enough money and they can make almost anything "possible" with the right combo of juggling and lies. Calculate the economic effects of a new ban on bars and restaurants and you'll almost always find nowadays that you can say, "Our study shows no harm." How? Simple:<br /><br /><br />Include all the McDonalds and hot dog stands in the restaurant category, or, if really pinched by folks like us, simply count on the overwhelming numbers of even full service restaurants to statistically drown out the suffering of the bars. Remember: your stats can still show harm, but if it's not "statistically significant" then the Antis can tell the public that "officially" they showed "no harm." And, when saying it, they'll pull the Klein/Forster trick of using the phrasing "bars AND restaurants" -- neglecting to mention that bars on their own were decimated.<br /><br /><br />Or, if you really want to get tricky for something like casinos, dont' count the profits, just count the number of people entering through the turnstile gates! AMAZING! **MORE PEOPLE COME INTO THE CASINOS AFTER SMOKING BANS!** (Well, ok, most of them are smokers who are coming in for the fifth time that day from their smoking breaks, but we'll ignore that factor in our propaganda count and claim them as five separate customers!)<br /><br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttp://bit.ly/TobakkoNachtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-3281308173208274992015-06-15T16:47:52.166+01:002015-06-15T16:47:52.166+01:00Like night follows day. Not that they'd ever p...Like night follows day. Not that they'd ever publish any graph to show proven economic benefits of bans on businesses. Even they'd find that impossible.<br /><br />Anyway, the zealous puritans will be pleased to see casinos and bars suffer. All part and parcel of their wet dreams becoming reality.theprognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-76573776275314175932015-06-15T09:42:20.837+01:002015-06-15T09:42:20.837+01:00I never visit anywhere with overt smoking bans. I...I never visit anywhere with overt smoking bans. I used to go Australia but never again after their weasel control freakery tobacco controls and confiscating duty frees.DPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-22299198612934991952015-06-15T07:55:59.189+01:002015-06-15T07:55:59.189+01:00Bah! Facts! It's how you interpret them that m...Bah! Facts! It's how you <i>interpret</i> them that matters.Mark Wadsworthhttp://markwadsworth.blogspot.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-53218147490573604652015-06-14T22:18:29.916+01:002015-06-14T22:18:29.916+01:00The multiplier effect is used in all economic calc...The multiplier effect is used in all economic calculations except for when governments are talking about bans on lifestyles. Then it doesn't exist. <br /><br />When talking about the 10,000 (+/-) pubs which have closed in the UK since 2007, not only do tobacco control pretend it didn't happen, but they also ignore the associated trades which have suffered too, along with other linked costs that - when <a href="http://dickpuddlecote.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/that-policy-exchange-nonsense.html" rel="nofollow">fabricating their lies</a> - they like to lump on in their favour with abandon.<br /><br /><br /><br />I don't say we're on the side of the angels for no reason.Dick_Puddlecotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-39347540384702908372015-06-14T21:46:03.908+01:002015-06-14T21:46:03.908+01:00That tweet may someday get me into trouble someday...That tweet may someday get me into trouble someday (being in a band and all some people may take that statement in the wrong way), but that is how it feels for me now. People have been getting held up at gunpoint outside of some bars here since the ban. We (my band) turned down an opportunity to play (regularly) @ one venue for this very reason, as I had witnessed someone (pre-ban) get stabbed multiple times outside of that very same bar. I will NOT stand outside of such a place, and I don't want those I care about to do so either.jredheadgirlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-27523313108682346192015-06-14T21:30:51.392+01:002015-06-14T21:30:51.392+01:00Nisaki, I can't see the tweet!Nisaki, I can't see the tweet!Michael J. McFaddenhttp://bit.ly/TobakkoNachtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-57617763988345969462015-06-14T21:30:22.514+01:002015-06-14T21:30:22.514+01:00I challenged some of the councilcritters and Smoke...I challenged some of the councilcritters and SmokeFree folks to back up their promises of "no harm" with their own pocketbooks and budgets. Of course they didn't: they knew they were lying.<br /><br /><br />Atlantic City New Jersey began allowing Casinos in the 1970s or thereabouts. Every year, year after year after year, their money poured in and increased, increased, increased... without a single year of failing! Even while the whole country was shutting down after the 9/11 attack, Atlantic City Casinos STILL managed to make more money for 2001 than they did the year before!<br /><br /><br />They were UNSTOPPABLE....<br /><br /><br />... until the smoking ban.<br /><br /><br />Even though the ban allowed them to still have 25% of their floor space for smoking, the ban marked the first year in history of their money going down. Casino growth pretty much stopped dead, with the one new big casino, a TOTALLY "Smoke Free" one called Revel, going bankrupt within two years or so of opening.<br /><br /><br />The saddest thing about Atlantic City was that a year or two before the ban I went down there and wrangled a meeting with the second-in-command (?) of the NJ Casino Gaming Assn (or whatever it was called). I gave him a copy of Brains and spiel about how they had to stand with the bars and fight the ban or they'd get hit too... and the guy laughed in my face. With a very condescending tone he "educated" me about the "facts." I.E. that the AC Casinos were "just too BIG" and brought in "FAR too much tax money" for the Antismokers to EVER touch them. I told him how wrong he was, urged him to read the book and pass it on and get back to me, headed back to Philly ... and never heard from him again.<br /><br /><br />And the rest, as they say, is history.<br /><br /><br />Dick, your blog has given me an idea though. It would be very interesting and educational to graph AC's casino money growth over its 30ish good years, continue the graph showing what happened in the last ten or so, and then show the projected growth rate of the graph withOUT the ban. My guess is that by now they have lost not just millions, but many HUNDREDS of millions, and that the general nonsmoking taxpayers of New Jersey have had to make up for that with higher tax bills and reduced services and benefits.<br /><br /><br />When I did my graduate work in U of PA's Wharton School, one of the important concepts we studies was the idea of "multiplier effects" in economics. E.G. if you ban cars, you not only close down Detroit's car factories (our big car making city) but you have "ripple" effects from all the car-builders who are out of work and can't spend money and thus close down all sorts of other businesses... along with the road-builders and gas-station operators and the people who build gas-station pumps and the colleges who can't find enough kids able to pay tuition on bankrupt mom 'n dad's tab to the housing industry who sells fewer houses....<br /><br /><br />"For want of a nail, a kingdom was lost."<br /><br /><br />If only we had the kind of grant money that the Antis have so we could commission unbiased university studies of the true economic effects of all the bans of the last 20 years: it's quite possible that the Antismokers will eventually go down in history as the force that destroyed the United States. And perhaps the same will be said for Britain too: you haven't been under their thumb for as long, but you've gotten hit more severely in recent years. At least in the US we still have a fair number of states who've resisted some of the antismoking extremes.<br /><br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttp://bit.ly/TobakkoNachtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-1691568999624073752015-06-14T21:25:55.235+01:002015-06-14T21:25:55.235+01:00It's sad that this post is so very accurate. O...It's sad that this post is so very accurate. Only a few days ago on my Twitterfeed, @jredheadgirl, who recently escaped from the insanity of California to what she thought would be the relative freedom of New Orleans tweeted thus:nisakimannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3141759542968821728.post-91223364117189691122015-06-14T21:01:17.677+01:002015-06-14T21:01:17.677+01:00I have always wanted to visit New Orleans. Sadly i...I have always wanted to visit New Orleans. Sadly it's been added to the growing list of places I won't ever travel to. My husband smokes cigarettes and I vape, so if we aren't welcome to vacation with our vices, we'll vacation elsewhere.Brewladynoreply@blogger.com