Monday 5 December 2011

Western Governments Prepare To Kill Millions Of Their Citizens

It recently came to light that there are approximately 2.5 million electronic cigarette users in the US. Far too many for the US Food and Drug Administration, apparently, since they're trying their doggone damnedest to make it impossible to get hold of them.

In what may be it's push into the endgame for e-Cigarettes, the FDA announced public comments will come to a close on December 8th for "Non-Face-to-Face Sale and Distribution of Tobacco Products and Advertising, Promotion, and Marketing of Tobacco Products." The FDA will be considering in the very near future what actions to take to regulate how tobacco products (including new-fangled devices like e-cigarettes) and how they are marketed.

SUMMARY: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is issuing this advance notice of proposed rulemaking (ANPRM) to obtain information related to the regulation of non-face-to-face sale and distribution of tobacco products and the advertising, promotion, and marketing of tobacco products. FDA is taking this action as part of its implementation of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (Tobacco Control Act). FDA is requesting comments, data, research, or other information related to non-face-to-face sale and distribution of tobacco products; the advertising, promotion, and marketing of such products; and the advertising of tobacco products via the Internet, e-mail, direct mail, telephone, smart phones, and other communication technologies that can be directed to specific recipients.
As you're probably aware since you're here online, most good e-cigarettes come from the Internet, not local merchants.

Depending on how the FDA regulates e-cigarettes and other tobacco products, the offline versions may become the only things we can get.
E-cigs are a predominantly online phenomenon, offering harm reduction in the order of around 99%. You'd think a governmental body would be ecstatic about them, wouldn't you?

But then, they're not made by pharmaceutical companies, so a 100% figure is the only acceptable one. Please just forget the well documented risks associated with pharma products like Champix at this point. It's vital you do so, or else the carefully crafted corporate suspension of belief shatters, the whole house of public health cards comes crashing down, and you'll never trust a politician or furrow-browed health professional again!

I digress.

So here we are with a US governmental agency using every means at its disposal to prohibit something which millions use as an alternative to smoking, despite their general mantra that smoking should be avoided at all costs. Many have given up entirely thanks to 'vaping', whilst a vast number of others alternate between e-cigs and tobacco, but still effectively reduce their intake of a plant that governments worldwide have sworn to eradicate.

Now then, children. What do you think the 2.5 million users in the US are likely to do when vaping becomes all but impossible in the 'Land of the Free'?

Get your money into US tobacco stocks sharpish, I'd say, there's likely to be an imminent bounce in share prices if the FDA get their way.

Meanwhile, the EU - as explained by The Ashtray - continue to maintain a ban on snus which is deeply harmful, and will almost certainly get round to banning e-cigs at some point.

They tell us that smoking kills half of those who partake - that's the regularly touted figure, remember. Their 'evidence', not mine. Yet millions upon millions of people around the world are having their harm reduction choices reduced, seemingly to protect pharmaceutical company profits. Well, it's either that or superlatively retarded decision-making from politicians. You decide.

And they say tobacco companies are evil? Those who spout that garbage should look at their own methods of mass murder before casting stones at others. The message really is "Quit (the right way), or die".

If you're from over the pond, you might want to tell the FDA precisely what you think of their crashingly stupid idea here. Nicely, of course. They may well be weapons grade bell ends but I don't think they'd look kindly on being reminded of the fact.

Meanwhile, the rest of us can feel safe in the knowledge that we're firmly on the side of the angels if this is the level of 'care' such obsessed, hysterical, corporatist freaks aspire to.


14 comments:

Pat Nurse MA said...

"They tell us that smoking kills half of those who partake - that's the regularly touted figure, remember. Their 'evidence', not mine."

That is yet another made up figure only recently pulled from the air to further the next stage of smoker and tobacco eradication.

I only started hearing this year and when I told a health worker last summer about this new figure he was astounded. "Really?" he said. "Are you sure?" I said wait and see it will be mainstream soon.

Dick Puddlecote said...

Well, real or not, Pat, if it's their line, it means the FDA are potentially killing 1.25 million people soon.

Nice people.

Pat Nurse MA said...

yup - tobacco eradication by any means. Ruthless lot and nowt to do with caring.

They'd love it if we died and they hate us because we haven't. We are living proof that most of what they spin is bollox

George Speller said...

I sent:
Surely the most effective thing you could do would be to ban tobacco, not restrict the sale of a product to which no harm at all can be traced. Why don't you ban tobacco? Because you remember the shameful Prohibition? Easier to posture by taking on a weak achievable target? Cowards and bullies all.

Anonymous said...

It is patently obvious western
politicians will go to any extreme to achieve their desired results.
They have no rules,no conventions,
no limits,no moral code,no court
of human rights,,,,ANYTHING GOES.
So be it,they cannot complain when
others apply the same attitude.
No rule book,no guidelines,no laws,
the ends justify the means.


Times are a changing

The Ticking Clock

Anonymous said...

The vaping industry people who jumped on the SHS Fraud and exploited it to the fullest are now receiving their payback in full from the people who control the FDA, which is the pharmaceuticals and to some small extent, the tobacco industries. FDA's funding is made up a lot from fees for testing products paid by pharmaceuticals that keeps its budget alive. In order for FDA to expand it needs to demand more testing of supposedly unsafe things, like water vapour from e-cigs. Yes, the vaping industry did plenty of good a few years back when many of them used the SHS Fraud to their own advantage, along with foul-mouthing smokers, which they did and still do, some of them.

Anonymous said...

s/b "foul mouthing THE smokers", which yes, they did and some do - thus now their payback for promoting lies also.

Anonymous said...

Well, comments not work.
May try again, maybe not, don't know.

Anonymous said...

The vaping industry people who jumped on the SHS Fraud and exploited it to the fullest are now receiving their payback in full from the people who control the FDA, which is the pharmaceuticals and to some small extent, the tobacco industries. FDA's funding is made up a lot from fees for testing products paid by pharmaceuticals that keeps its budget alive. In order for FDA to expand it needs to demand more testing of supposedly unsafe things, like water vapour from e-cigs. Yes, the vaping industry did plenty of good a few years back when many of them used the SHS Fraud to their own advantage, along with foul-mouthing the smokers, which they did and still do, some of them.

Dick Puddlecote said...

If you post as 'Anon', Anon, you tend to get caught up in Blogger's spam filter. Try using a name, made-up or not, and you'll get better results.

As far as vapers reaping an anti-smoking whirlwind, yes, there is that aspect. I'm more optimistic, though. I tend to look on it as more people who may understand how evil these people are.

The vast majority of vapers are not anti-smokers. For those few who are, I invoke Luke 15:10. ;)

Leg-iron said...

I have leaves that might not turn out smokeable. If they don't, I'll try making an extract ;)

I have these rechargeable Electrofags here and they won't go to waste.

Angry Exile said...

Please just forget the well documented risks associated with pharma products like Champix at this point. It's vital you do so, or else the carefully crafted corporate suspension of belief shatters, the whole house of public health cards comes crashing down, and you'll never trust a politician or furrow-browed health professional again!

Lets forget also what a lousy track record NRT has. My personal experience: failed on gum and patches I think twice each, and succeeded completely on cold turkey. Actually only lukewarm turkey because the withdrawal symptoms were minimal and short lived whereas I spent half the time on NRT feeling like climbing up a clock tower with a rifle. My belief is that desire to stop has a lot to do with it, and that if you're giving up because you've been nagged into thinking you should but your heart isn't really in it NRT will be of very little help and your chances of success are poor. I also think that those who do succeed having put themselves through hellish withdrawal symptoms because deep down they didn't really want to quit are likely to become those nightmarish, finger wagging, wowser, anti-baccy zealot type ex-smokers. On the other hand I reckon people who are just over smoking and aren't really enjoying it anymore tend not to suffer bad withdrawal symptoms, not to find it a big deal giving up, not to benefit much (if at all) from NRT, and not to be all that bothered by people who still smoke.

Anonymous said...

More bad news for the vapers. In last week's Times a report that Consort Medical, in a tie-up with Kind Consumer, backed by Terry Leahy, is proposing to market a new smokeless nicotine delivery device. It is designed for smokers who do not want to give up nicotine and will be distributed by Nicoventures, a subsidiary of BAT. I wonder where that idea came from and I wonder what it will cost compared to 20 cigarettes. A lot more than ecig smoking I would guess. I don't give ecigs much chance and like other commenters, I don't have much sympathy.
Jonathan Bagley (smelly smoker)

david said...

Anon@21:33

I agree, fundamentally e fag pushers (and many users, perhaps principally those who want to quit)do not express much support for those smokers who would prefer to use tobacco inside pubs. E fags are very good quit tools, but they are not licensed smoking cessation products. Thus sellers have astutely (and cynically) concentrated promoting their use in places where proper smoking is banned. How can this not undermine any campaign for an amendment to the ban?