Sunday, 4 January 2015

Clueless Nonsense That DOES Receive Attention In Public Consultations

It speaks volumes about the vast duplication of resources in the lucrative public health industry that I've never heard of The Association of Directors of Public Health (@ADPHUK) before today.

However, if you responded to the Scottish consultation earlier in the week - or if you find it sinister that the public are elbowed out of public consultations - you might be interested to read ADFUCK's effort. You see, theirs is the type of response which is taken very seriously by governments despite their membership clearly not being very bright at all. They certainly should in no way be considered 'experts' on anything except bullshit delivery. For example, they want all e-cig advertising banned, because ...
... advertising and the promotion of the points above could encourage individuals to begin or continue to vape.
And why is it bad to vape?
Many nicotine vapourisers look similar to regular cigarettes, therefore sending mixed messages to the public about acceptance of smoking, with the potential of re-normalising smoking behaviours. Evidence supports the need for consistency in messages in trying to support behaviour change and culture change. 
Vaping is not smoking - the public know this very well, as does the Oxford English Dictionary. It is only the highly-paid - Lord knows why! - professional miseries in public health who seem too stupid to notice the difference.

Additionally, do you remember when 'public health' used to pretend their moral panic against tobacco was something about harming bystanders and that they had junk science studies to prove it? That's so last decade. Now mere "concern" is enough.
We are concerned over the second hand effects of vapour on those with respiratory conditions (such as asthma), particularly when nicotine vapourisers are used in enclosed and substantially enclosed public places.
Enclosed public spaces, did they say?
In our survey, 78% of Directors of Public Health who responded said that the restrictions and regulations relating to the use of smoked tobacco products in public places should also apply to nicotine vapourisers.
Except that they also want 'tobacco products' - a category which clearly includes e-cigs judging from their brain-dead 're-normalisation' theory -  banned in wide open spaces and car parks.
By introducing this legislation, into all hospital grounds, this will ensure the NHS in Scotland is in line with the recommendations set out in the Tobacco Control Strategy for Scotland, which also encourages NHS Scotland to demonstrate clear leadership regarding the creation of smoke free premises.
And who do ADFUCK think should enforce this, indeed what should be the penalties?
We believe that this should be a cross-cutting exercise involving the Scottish Police Service, NHS and Local Authority enforcement staff. 
We recommend that there should be an on the spot fine for those who are non-compliant.
Just think about that for a moment and consider a scenario. You've accompanied your family member to hospital where they are either gravely ill or have suffered a sudden hospitalisation. You're stressed, upset, worried, perhaps even grieving.You go outside to collect your thoughts and leave the hospital building way behind, take a draw on your roll up or e-cig in the car park ... at which the police rock up and hand you a £50 on the spot fine.

These people truly disgust me. It's surely time for governments to stop listening to them.


22 comments:

castello said...

Just when we think we have them listening they come up with this crap dump.

Jack Listerio said...

We are concerned over the second hand effects of vapour on those with respiratory conditions (such as asthma), particularly when nicotine vapourisers are used in enclosed and substantially enclosed public places.
Funny thing on the way to the Hospital grounds it was discovered the NHS had been spraying the public with

Jack Listerio said...

Oh ya and the nicotine poor asthmatics:

In 2008 this paper was produced in America and concludes that nictotine and hence active smoking and passive smoking leads to less asthma. It also gives the aetiology (causation) why nicotine and the biologial process that reduces asthma in recipients.

The results unequivocally show that, even after multiple allergen sensitizations, nicotine dramatically suppresses inflammatory/allergic parameters in the lung including the following: eosinophilic/lymphocytic emigration; mRNA and/or protein expression of the Th2 cytokines/chemokines IL-4, IL-5, IL-13, IL-25, and eotaxin; leukotriene C4; and total as well as allergen-specific IgE. unequivocally show that, even after multiple allergen sensitizations, nicotine dramatically suppresses inflammatory/allergic parameters in the lung including the following: eosinophilic/lymphocytic emigration; mRNA and/or protein expression of the Th2 cytokines/chemokines IL-4, IL-5, IL-13, IL-25, and eotaxin; leukotriene C4; and total as well as allergen-specific IgE. ”

Who knows perhaps Pharma wants to own ecigs and rebrand it a asthma reliever product! lol

Jack Listerio said...

DP can you see the NHS having to pay off for abusing patients with ecig vapor for 70 years all of a sudden!
Or that medicinal smoke they used to get when smoking was still allowed in hospitals. Killing off 94% of airborne bacteria's. Viruses too!

Jack Listerio said...

Medicinal Smoke Reduces Airborne Bacteria – 2007

“This study represents a comprehensive analysis and scientific validation of our ancient knowledge about the effect of ethnopharmacological aspects of natural products’ smoke for therapy and health care on airborne bacterial composition and dynamics, using the Biolog® microplate panelsand Microlog® database.

In this study, we have designed an air sampler for microbiological air sampling during the treatment of the room with medicinal smoke. In addition, elimination of the aerial pathogenic bacteria due to the smoke is reported too.

We have observed that 1 h treatment of medicinal smoke emination by burning wood and a mixture of odoriferous and medicinal herbs (havan sámagri = material used in oblation to fire all over India) on aerial bacterial population caused over 94% reduction of bacterial counts by 60 min and the ability of the smoke to purify or disinfect the air and to make the environment cleaner was maintained up to 24 h in the closed room.

Absence of pathogenic bacteria Corynebacterium urealyticum, Curtobacterium flaccumfaciens, Enterobacter aerogenes (Klebsiella mobilis), Kocuria rosea, Pseudomonassyringae pv. persicae, Staphylococcus lentus, and Xanthomonas campestris pv. tardicrescens inthe open room even after 30 days is indicative of the bactericidal potential of the medicinal smoke treatment.

We have demonstrated that using medicinal smoke it is possible to completely eliminate diverse plant and human pathogenic bacteria of the air within confined space.
Work has implications to use the smoke generated by burning wood and a mixture of odoriferousand medicinal herbs, within confined spaces such as animal barns and seed/grain warehouses to disinfect the air and to make the environment cleaner.
Work indicates that certain known medicinal constituents from the havan sámagri can thus be added to the burning farm material while disposing unwanted agriculture organic material, in order to reduce plant pathogenicorganisms.

In particular, it highlights the fact that we must think well beyond the physical aspects of smoke on plants in natural habitats and impacts heavily on our understanding of fire as adriving force in evolution.
We have demonstrated that using medicinal smoke it is possible to contain diverse pathogenic bacteria of the air we breathe.

The work also highlights the fact about medicinal smoke and that a lot of natural products have potential for use as medicine in the smoke form as a form of drug delivery and as a promising source of new active natural ingredients for containing indoor airborne infections within confined spaces used for storage of agriculture comodities.

The dynamic chemical and biological interactions occurring in the atmosphere are much more complex than has been previously realized. The findings warrant a need for further evaluation of various ingredients present in the complex mixture of odoriferous and medicinal herbs, individually and in various combinations to identify the active principlesinvolved in the bactericidal property of the medicinal smoke, applied in the above discussed fashion.”
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Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...

Jack Listerio said...

Surely the Insanity cant last much longer.

Mark Wadsworth said...

"ADFUCK" love it, five stars for that.

Mark Magenis said...

We are beginning to see fresh air between PH advocates and genuine health professionals. I for one would love to see PH (pharma lobbyists) in general loose their credibility (funding) as an industry, but that may just be day dreaming.

jude said...

This is obviously a spoof, (although I doubt those in PH would realise this so I'm mentioning it just in case they read this blog and start getting ideas),

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03EHgboeFC4&list=PLB8458322FFE22CCB



It does however show how brainwashed some people are in bowing to those who pretend to be an "authority", much the same way as they bow to those that pretend to be an "expert".

Dick_Puddlecote said...

"We are beginning to see fresh air between PH advocates and genuine health professionals"



Very true. Around 10 to 15 years ago, PH ceased being about health and began being about salaries of state-funded advocacy professionals. We are now starting to see which ones actually care about health and people and those who are just out for political point-scoring and/or what they can earn out of the situation.


More reason why they should be ignored until they weed out the charlatans and learn to behave themselves as a group.

cfrankdavis said...

Doctors used to prescribe smoking for asthma 60 years ago.

right_writes said...

It seems to be more important to create a new class of criminal, than anything else...


I just wish that the market was free enough to show these people up for what they are...


Unproductive puritans who add NOTHING to the vibrancy of a modern nation, they take a lot though.

Ivan D said...

Public Health is and for many years has been a refuge for talentless autocratic nobodies who cannot hold down a real job. The only reason that it its baleful influence continues to be felt is that Westminster and the mainstream media offer similar sanctuary for the weak and clueless.

Jack Listerio said...

Ivan in todays world I don't think any real jobs are left. At least not in the sense we were raised on. A 40 year job in a manufacturing facility with benefits. Today its 2 part time jobs at minimum wage or one partime job and SSI in America...........Yep we be broke bro! Nobody had a Christmas in America this year and Im not talking for just myself but nearly everyone I know and even third parties my wife works with.
Its just that bad everywhere.Unless your a banker!

Sam Duncan said...

“We believe that this should be a cross-cutting exercise involving the Scottish Police Service, NHS and Local Authority enforcement staff. ”



That's the sound of the Scottish establishment falling into line with the Nationalists' Mussolini-esque unitary state policy. There will be no escape.

PJHH said...

> We believe that this should be a cross-cutting exercise [...]

FPA "cost-cutting" - clearly I was wrong...

truckerlyn said...

And I know asthmatics who use smoking to prevent a severe attack! It helps to control their breathing and open up the airways! The ones I am talking about are non smokers, but carry cigarettes with them in case of a severe attack!

truckerlyn said...

Is that why smokers rarely get colds or flu?


I have smoked for 44 years and am never ill! If I get a cold (can't remember the last one) it usually only lasts a couple of days and then it is gone with no lingering runny nose or cough! Husband is the same! As was daughter when she was growing up - since the smoking ban she has taken up smoking because she started to get ill, a lot! Now she is a smoker, she doesn't!

truckerlyn said...

Can you really see that happening? Sadly, I can't, at least not for many more years!

truckerlyn said...

As well as the spineless and ball-less!

truckerlyn said...

"Just think about that for a moment and consider a scenario. You've accompanied your family member to hospital where they are either gravely ill or have suffered a sudden hospitalisation. ...."


Absolutely, Dick. Personally, I know exactly what that is like and how much a calming smoke helps.


Apart from this, despite what the quacks claim, smoking, for a smoker, will actually speed up recovery because it reduces stress! Whereas, being denied a smoke, or several, will induce a great deal of stress and therefore hinder greatly the patients' recovery! No wonder the NHS is in such dire straits!

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