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UPDATE: The Coventry Telegraph are covering the story.
UPDATE 2: And so are The Sun
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51 minutes ago
Monday, 23 August 2010
A Special Kind Of Heartlessness *Updated*
Frank Davis has stumbled upon this clip on Facebook and expressed his shock. Assuming the video is genuine and not an elaborate set-up, behaviour like this certainly is weapons grade heartlessness, is it not?
Original here
UPDATE: The Coventry Telegraph are covering the story.
UPDATE 2: And so are The Sun
Original here
UPDATE: The Coventry Telegraph are covering the story.
UPDATE 2: And so are The Sun
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What the fuck is wrong with that sadistic cunt?
I say we do the same to her.
Malice like that should be punished severely.
CR.
I have two cats .
Your face is noted you fat evil cunt.
Agree entirely, Cap'n. If the original link is being circulated widely (hence Frank seeing it), with any luck she will be recognised at some point.
WTF? She looked so bloody harmless too, bitch!
It looks to me like it's somewhere in the UK. And obviously the people who produced the clip would know exactly where. And very likely that woman lives nearby. Can't be too hard to find.
But since it was captured on camera, the cat was probably rescued.
Just using google maps and info off FB the location of the house is 58? Brays Lane Coventry. Google maps are dated and things change like gates etc.
Yep, definitely 58 Brays Lane when looking at street view. Top sleuthing, Smoking Hot. :)
As much as the cats that crap in my flower bed piss me off, that is fucking cruel. How would she like to be put in a shitty wheelie bin (assuming the fucker would fit)
Although one has to wonder if it's No 60 surveilling No 58. Camera angle seems odd for it to be 58?
She could of course be on day release from some loony bin, and thinks cats are a kind of 'litter'.
On the other hand, she might be a JP, and a prominent member of the local council.
It would be fascinating to find out.
Looks like the FB crowd will do that Frank. They are on a mission.
Things move fast DP.
For anyone wondering ... cat is ok after 15 hr ordeal.
FB page of owner
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=141384382564790
Devils advocate time.
Sorry, but should i give a shit about this?
So what she dumped a cat in a bin.
How many of you have make up in your house tested on animals.
etc etc
"For anyone wondering ... cat is ok after 15 hr ordeal."
That's a relief! She's likely to be local, so hopefully it won't take too long to identify her. I wonder if she'll turn out to have some convenient mental issue that she'll rely on to escape any consequences?
Fair comment, Anon. However, the analogy is a trifle flawed.
A pet is someone's property, whereas animals used for testing are (to all intents and purposes) a commodity, supplied by one company to another. It's the ownership which is the issue.
Your reasoning is like saying "so what if someone took some else's car and drove it into a wall? If you've ever watched stock car racing, how can you complain?".
You must have hours of fun arguing with yourself anon.
My misanthropy dial has gone up to 11 again. Fucking boot faced old bitch. It's not often that I see something that makes me really, genuinely hope for something hideously painful or psychologically scarring to happen to someone, but this is one of those times. But being roughly proportionate to what she did I'd settle for her to be dropped in a 20' shipping container stood on its end and left for at least as long, and preferably early on a baking hot day so that it's like an oven in there by sunset.
Aww, come on! Surely she's just a council bin-enforcer 'seeding' a bin with inappropriate contents? Imagine the penalty charges the householder could have ended up with.
But, have to ask why the pavement is being monitored by CCTV.
First off a whiff of 'candid camera' about this. 15 hours before the cat was released from its plastic prison?
Secondly all cats are killers. A fact this particular cats owner fails to realise as she said in the Sun 'it wouldn't harm a fly'!
Thirdly who in their right mind trains a CCTV camera on their own bin?
Fourthly if it's a council operated CCTV camera what on earth are they doing training a camera on this pair of bins at this particular moment.
Fifthly why did she stop and look around instead of just grabbing the cat by the scruff of the neck and binning it?
They put in the cameras (there are three of them at least) because their car parked outside had been repeatedly damaged by careless drivers.
It's on Sky now. And has made it to Australia as well, apparently.
At this rate they'll be starting on the movie script tomorrow. Dawn French as the Coventry Cat Binner? Russell Crowe and Angelina Jolie as the houseowners?
So they had these bins where they normally park their car?
Sounding more and more fishy!
Hmmm, has the malicious, spiteful look of egocentric self-entitlement common to anti-smokers. We should first look for this woman at ASH HQ and if she isn't there branch out to Local Councils. It wouldn't surprise me if she was in some sort of public sector "caring" profession.
I can't wait to find out as I have a gut instinct that I'm right!
Sorry Dick but that logic does not work here. The outrage is nothing to do with property - after all, could you imagine this kind of outrage if someone put another person's phone in the bin? Yes it would be wrong and yes it would be theft, but national news? I think not.
As a semantic aside, if the cat in the video is indeed somebody's property then how is in anything but a commodity?
The perfectly reasonable outrage over this is mostly - and perfectly reasonably - about compassion and ethics.
There are reasons this is different from using make-up tested on animals, and I can think of a few. But as much as we libertarians would like them to, property rights don't come into this.
Shouldn't it have been put in a black bin for non-recyclable items?
Has anyone reported her to the bin Stasi, 'cos that must be a far worse crime than cruelty to a friendly kitten.
Naturalnoble: Yep, the outrage is down to the poor treatment of a sentient being, I wasn't denying that. I was pointing out that there is a difference between this and the use of animals in testing.
Ownership is one aspect, the other is the fact that her actions inflict harm on the owner. Since the owner of tested animals is the farmer (who willingly sells) or the lab (who willingly buys for that purpose) then no harm is felt by the owners.
Put a video up of animals being tested and the outrage would be just as vitriolic but, as I've written about before, the harsh truth is that ownership is the difference between one being OK and the other not, IYSWIM.
So ownership does have a role to play in why this is different to animal testing. All IMHO, of course. :)
That's fair enough, and ownership is an important reason why they are different things in law. Even so, being wrong in law is not the same as being ethically wrong (assuming the law is some kind of idealised libertarian situation, otherwise that's just a truism) - it just means that it would be even more wrong to legislate against it.
Things that are legal can be ethically wrong, such as (again in our idealised libertarian law) discriminating against black people and routinely torturing a cat you own.
You are right on the property argument, but a more important distinction (IMHO, obviously) is that this was completely gratuitous. Testing on animals means that the people who use the things afterwards don't die or get ill, and that is a good thing. Putting a cat in a bin, even if it is your own cat, provides no such purpose.
It would be almost as wrong if this were her cat. Incidentally this is the way the country's current law will also see it, since she will probably be charged with some animal cruelty deal rather than a property violation (which was really very minor, since she put it in the owners' own bin and it got out alive). This is probably the wrong thing for the law to do IMO, but the lines of property rights do blur somewhat when animals are involved even if we accept property in the first place (I do, and I know you do, but a smoker/CACC skeptic shouldn't imagine that "the debate is over" ;))
Sorry for the long and probably rambling post.
So I'm the only one who laughed?
Again..?
It would have been fucking awesome with sound though..
That poor little cat was being so friendly, too, and now that fucking cunt has probably freaked it out!
I hope she lives in their street so they can give her a damned good twatting - out of camera/witness range!
Of course someone else may even end up doing the job for them.
Naturalnoble: Not at all. I enjoyed reading it and can't fault you. In countering an objection, I emphasised one aspect (ownership) but your points are more relevant in this case. I'll remember them if the same sort of discussion crops up again. :)
BTS: You should know better. ;)
There's a rumour on Facebook that she's been arrested.
From Facebook
at 7.15pm last night some women walked past my house and put my cat in my
wheelie bin.....i didnt find her until 11.30m this morning.......i want to know who this women is so I can report her.....
So cat vanishes in the evening and she doesn't find out where it is until she either checks her cctv (which happens to be trained on her friggin bin FFS Check the composition of the shot it's beautifully set up to completely miss any car parking space) or she chucks some rubbish in her bin because presumably the 'little kitty' is normally out shitting and pissing in someone else's back garden.
And yes I found it funny. Reminded me of Not The Nine O'Clock News!
Looks like a load of bollocks, a domestic system with "CAM 80" (hard to see though) "Front Left" looking at a wheelie bin and a bit of road?
Quality is better than industrial sytems, "I smell shite, SHITE..."
The camera looks like it's trained on a parking space, just one that doesn't have a car parked in it. One of the important things to remember about cars is that they can move around and don't stay in their parking spaces all the time.
It would be a strange thing to fake... but stranger things have happened I suppose.
Nope. Seems it was just a rumour.
Turns out she is "Mad Mary".
Look:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=19381074332&v=wall
She has done some odd shit in her fucked up life. Cats in bins is almost normal for her.
So there. She is excused. Blameless.
Me? I'd spend the 60p on a 9mm round and end the misery for the good folks of Coventry.
Harsh, some would say.
But fair.
CR.
Except judging by the Facebook group, Mad Mary seems to be dead.
I've been following the bizarre story all day. Andwrote a post tonight
"Fifthly why did she stop and look around instead of just grabbing the cat by the scruff of the neck and binning it?"
To check that there were no people around who might object, I'd assume.
Anon: 'Looks like a load of bollocks, a domestic system with "CAM 80" (hard to see though) "Front Left" looking at a wheelie bin and a bit of road?
Quality is better than industrial sytems, "I smell shite, SHITE..."'
Not sure what you're saying here. That it's too good to be a domestic system? I could get at least that good or better for a couple of hundred bucks or less. I passed a two camera system not long ago in Costco, and a quick google shows there's a Costco in Coventry only a few miles from where Smoking Hot reckons this happened. A hundred quid in B&Q will get you CCTV.
And CAM 80. Are you saying it's not domestic because nobody would buy 80 or more cameras for a house? CAM 80 could be a model number. Could be the number of wireless frequency. Could be a default camera ID no. Could be the owners set it to say 80 and couldn't be arsed to change it. Could be lots of things. It could even be that it's mounted somewhere that has eighty cameras, although I can't think of many places that would need that many cameras. Casino or a stadium or something, but not much that you'd find down a clearly residential street. As for 'front left', it's at the front of the house and aimed to the left... what's it supposed to say?
"There are reasons this is different from using make-up tested on animals, and I can think of a few"
It's less cruel than testing?
"Testing on animals means that the people who use the things afterwards don't die or get ill, and that is a good thing."
Drugs yes.
Makeup?
We already have 10000000000 types of makeup, but let's keep testing on animals to come up with another 10000 shades of red.
All i'm really saying is i'm abit tired of hearing faux outrage about such incidents from people who eat battery chicken eggs, ham and beef (yes they do battery cows now).
I mean a few hundred million cows and pigs living in cages their short life, and where talking about 1 single moggy being poory treated.
Why give a fuck?
All i'm really saying is i'm abit tired of hearing faux outrage about such incidents from people who eat battery chicken eggs, ham and beef (yes they do battery cows now).
I think it's that family pets are part of the family. And what's family gets special care and attention. The cat was part of the family, and everybody knows that. So it was just like dropping a child in a bin.
Everything else, including all the sheep and cattle and pigs and chickens, aren't members of the family, and don't get special attention.
Maybe one day all living things will be regarded as 'family' in this way. But not yet, and not for a long time.
Frank
"Everything else, including all the sheep and cattle and pigs and chickens, aren't members of the family, and don't get special attention."
But it's worth noting that the lines become more blurred the further north one travels.
FFS she works in a bank, so it's obvious that the attitudes of her bosses have rubbed off on her. I.E. No compassion, no feelings, delusions, power tripping, spitefulness, uncaring, bullying, I could go on but you get my drift.
Let’s hope she is one of the first against the wall when it comes.
angryexcile:
Seems you're right, some bloke says he seen it on the state news broadcast at lunchtime and she was under arrest.
Or dead or police protecttion or something...
So I was wrong, not be the last time...
Of course this woman is evil, bullying, cruel and petty, she works in a bank FFS, have you ever discussed anything with one of them? Just as bad as the fuckers in the councils.
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