Sunday 2 February 2014

Yes We Do

In any debate on e-cigs, you'll always hear some public health mobster say that "we don't know what's in them".

It's entirely untrue, of course, and another example of the fraudulent nature of these people. We certainly do know precisely what is in them and so do they.

But now, via TV's Doctor Christian, we can compare the claim with one of the products made by public health's pharma chums.

Hmm, hydrochloric acid? I can't understand the tobacco control industry's silence about that particularly nasty ingredient in the NRT they relentlessly promote. Y'see, if there was so much as a yoctogram of that in an e-cig, they'd be screaming it from the rooftops.

Can anyone explain?


Xopher said...

Ain't Google great. Some of those ingredients seem a bit dangerous.

Suff found in gasoline, a drug that increases cell membrane permeability, something found in multi-purpose contact lens cleaning solutions, Bicarb, ibuprofen, two artificial sweeteners and hydrochloric acid!!!
That's one hell of a cocktail but their friends have approved it.

Dick_Puddlecote said...

Top sleuthing. Imagine the scary adverts tobacco control could concoct if they were truly interested in health and not shilling for NRT, eh?

Xopher said...

Who pays the bills?

Rursus said...

Hint: Glycerol is another name for Glycerin! Nearly every glycerin is made of vegetables - that is the reason for the name "vegetable glycerin" (or vegetable glycerol).

Kath Gillon said...

I know I keep banging on about this, but all this stuff about e cigs and smoking in cars with children is a smoke screen (pardon the pun), unless they ban all motor vehicles from the roads and do away with traffic pollution this is all a nonsense. There has had to be a speed limit reduction imposed on the motorway near Sheffield because of the pollution and high levels of pollutants in the atmosphere badly effecting the health and well being of not just children but adults also.
We live on an immensely busy main road, in the East Midlands, traffic pouring past the house 24/7 even on Christmas day, large lorries jostle for space, police cars and other emergency vehicles all hours of the day and night, traffic bumper to bumper all through rush hour. The grime that accumulates on our furniture is shocking great thick black layers on everything daily, and I mean thick you can write your name in it, this includes the hall floor and the shutters and blinds.
Lumps of plaster descending off the walls in the cellar from the vibrations of the lorries, yet these idiots worry about vaping and smoking in cars with children. Seriously they need a boot up the bum and made to take a course in the true realities of life.

keith stammers said...

Thank you to the Doctor for providing this Electronic cigarette support, in high lighting exactly what is in the Nicorette Quickmist.
a corrosive with potential to burn, respiratory organs, eyes, skin and intestines.
Corrosive to teeth, could be fatal if swallowed or inhaled. Mix with bleach to produce chlorine, non biodegrade-able , toxic to aquatic life. Avoid heat or direct sunlight. Sounds like Big Pharma had to grease some ones palm to get this toxic rubbish prescribed as NRT .

theprog said...

Poloxamer 407
Poloxamer 407 is a key ingredient in Oral-B mouthwash that helps hold the entire substance together. As the pharmaceutical research website explains, Poloxamer 407 helps to increase the solubility of ingredients in formulations that may not dissolve well in solution. In addition, notes that Poloxamer 407 can help encourage a sustained release of ingredients, which may help the active ingredients in Oral-B mouthwash reach your entire mouth.
Unfortunately, notes that Poloxamer 407 may cause renal, or kidney, toxicity. In addition, explains that this ingredient may cause changes in your blood lipid profile, but that further human research is needed to assess safety. Due to the potential side effects of Poloxamer 407, you should not swallow Oral-B mouthwash or other products containing this ingredient.

Dick_Puddlecote said...

It's a rich seam, this, isn't it? All the times tobacco control has been hysterically wagging a finger about barely recordable levels of scary substances (arsenic, polonium) while pushing chemicals like this and acid. Yes! Acid.

Dick_Puddlecote said...

They don't live where we do. Ergo, they don't give a shit.

Threthny said...

I can see the Quickmist is ripe for the "Chapman trick"

Dick_Puddlecote said...

Indeed. He claims to dislike pharma too but has somehow forgotten to apply the same methods to their products. Fancy that!

Xopher said...

After reading the following I suggest the nasty pictures we suffer on cigarette packets should also be placed prominently on every pack of quickmist.
"Quickmist side effects

Side effects

Medicines and their possible side effects can affect individual people in different ways. The following are some of the side effects that are known to be associated with this medicine. Just because a side effect is stated here does not mean that all people using this medicine will experience that or any side effect.
Some of these are also symptoms known to be associated with stopping smoking.
Very common (affect more than 1 in 10 people)
Nausea and vomiting.
Changes in taste.
Increased saliva production.
Burning lips.
Dry mouth.
Inflammation of the lining of the mouth (stomatitis).
Tingling sensation in the mouth.

Common (affect between 1 in 10 and 1 in 100 people)
Pins and needles.
Awareness of your heartbeat (palpitations).
Throat numbness.
Mouth ulcers.
Bleeding of the gums.

Uncommon (affect between 1 in 100 and 1 in 1000 people)
Abdominal pain.
Pain the muscles and joints.
Runny nose.
Skin reactions such as dry skin, rash, excessive sweating.
Feeling of anger or anxiety.
Difficulty sleeping (insomnia).
Chest pain or discomfort.
Dry throat.
Throat tightness.
Watery eyes and blurred vision.

The side effects listed above may not include all of the side effects reported by the medicine's manufacturer.

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What the.... said...

What’s in Nicorette Quickmist?

Propylene Glycol (used in anti-freeze)
Anhydrous Ethanol (used in Gasoline)
Poloxamer 407 (dissolving agent)
Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate (used as paint remover)
Hydrochloric Acid (used in pickling steel)

What the.... said...

Here’s just one example of some of the inflammatory propaganda inflicted on societies around the world. We’ve all seen some variation of this “information”:


Acetone (nail varnish remover), Ammonia (cleaning agent), Arsenic (ant poison in the USA), Benzene (petrol fumes), Cadmium (car battery fluid), DDT (insecticide), Ethanol (anti-freeze), Formaldehyde (embalming fluid), Hydrogen Cyanide (industrial
pollutant), Lead (batteries, petrol fumes), Methanol (rocket fuel), Tar (road surface tar).

Few, however, are familiar with where this nonsense originated. This trick was suggested by Simon Chapman (a prominent Australian antismoker) at the Fifth World Conference on Smoking & Health (1983) while presenting his “manual of underhanded tricks & tactics”, “The Lung Goodbye” (see Godber Blueprint):

“A glance through any copy of the Smoking and Health Bulletin of the U S Department of Health and Human Services shows an entire indexed, section on ‘Tobacco Product Additives’ . Citations are included from patent office registrations of new chemical applications to tobacco processing and from the specialist chemical literature. Both these sources are virtually unintelligible, let alone normally accessible to the average person but are rich in potential
for anyone willing to translate them into news items with popular interest . Polysyllabic chemical names should be checked through a reference book that lists common usages and toxicological data for chemicals . Look for usages that will connote revulsion or concern . For example, well known chemicals found in tobacco include cadmium (as in car batteries), ammonia (as in toilet cleaners), cyanides, formaldehyde and so on ……” (p.15)

What the.... said...

To save reposting here, for more detailed information on what some refer to as the Chapman Trick, see comments by magnetic01 at:

What the.... said...

You’ll find the Chapman Trick in reports by the Surgeon General. You’ll find it on the CDC website. You’ll see it on a plethora of
antismoking websites. That’s how a nonsense is propagated as “fact”, as “science”.

Unfortunately, many e-cig sellers use the Chapman Trick to
peddle their own wares. What’s remotely amusing is that e-cig users then get in a great fluster when the trick is used against e-cigs. Again, the nature of the trick is to take some chemical(s) from one circumstance, usually at trace levels, and associate it with its use in an entirely different, irrelevant circumstance, usually by many orders of magnitude. The goal of the trick is to evoke
revulsion in the gullible. In the early days, the major chemical targeted in e-cigs was propylene glycol. And the trick was immediately applied –

"As the FDA and others have noted, electronic cigarettes pose a wide variety of potential dangers to users, and perhaps also
to those around them, both of whom inhale a mixture of nicotine (a dangerous drug) and propylene glycol (which is used in antifreeze[)] and may cause respiratory tract irritation”

Nowadays, there’s even more to play with. For example,

What’s in an e-cigarette?

Formaldehyde (used in embalming fluid)
Cadmium (used in car batteries)
Acetaldehyde (solvent)
Nickel (used in electroplating)
Lead (neurotoxin)

The way to combat this inflammatory propaganda is to point out where it originated and that the trick is solely intended for its
propensity to evoke revulsion. That’s what zealot nutcases are constantly playing upon – negative emotion.

What the.... said...

For anyone interested, Chapman was recently confronted on a
comments board about the “Chapman Trick”. In a rarity, he “responded”, typically by attempting to weasel his way out of any responsibility for the trickery or its consequences. See “Comments” section:

Kath Gillon said...

hear hear Lyn

DP said...

Dear Mr Puddlecote

Can anyone explain?


Hydrochloric acid is the principle ingredient of stomach acid, so probably not a problem in the likely concentrations in a pharma product.

In any non-pharma product it is of course deadly ...


JonathanBagley said...

Do none of you read Nature? It is now accepted that the properties of many substances can change depending on the context in which they are being used. This is an extension of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle and explains why sugar is completely harmless when used in recipes on BBC baking programmes by overweight middle-aged fairly well-off people, but lethal when consumed in shop bought items by poor people with no GCSEs. It also explains why nicotine in Quickmist is completely harmless, yet the nicotine I use to mix my recreational eliquid contains numerous toxins and carcinogens.

Topcoats said...

Hope Dr. Christian can sign the EFVI?